I've never had any issues with my stock suspension, despite never having an upgrade to compare it to. I still ride it moderate to hard and feel very comfortable around turns. I have found though that my turn-in is affected by the naked front as there is now less weight to keep the front planted, so I lean further forward.

 

"I suspect you need more practice operating your machine"

 

Just wait until you get a few track days under your belt.

I rode mine stock the first few times. Due to a wreck, I had to replace the forks. I was fortunate to source some that already had spring/valve upgrades. I was very pleased. I've not gone beyond those upgrades, but it's definitely a positive and you'll notice the difference.

 

is it easy to respring and oil your forks yourself? part I would be worried about is fork seals I heard those were a PITA I even bought new forks in place of replacing just the seal... if it's a handy-man's work I'd like some more info on parts!

 

springs and fluid is easy. Anything more than that gets progressively difficult, but can certainly be done in a garage.

 

Well... Who needs more practice can be debated until the end of the world...

I can ride a stock VTR pretty fast and agressive, but to me it fells all wobbly and alien... I'm however not that hot on a track... There are plenty of people around here faster than me...

But the simple fact is that a very good friend of mine, who's a very, very good track rider and racer, compared his stock VTR (road use only normally) to a VTR with swapped rear and front suspension, otherwise stock around the local track... Both bikes where on the same tires, albeit different wear on them...

The result was after a few laps monumental... He was doing faster laps without even trying when the front and back was working together, not fighting each other...

Then he jumped on my very much not stock bike, still with road tires, but not the same brand or sizes... His first lap, getting used to the bike was half a lightyear from the other laps, and a couple of laps in, he set a new personal lap record on that track... A track that he's raced at and knows... Yeah, he has since polished it more than once I suspect on his racebike, a much more powerful and newer bike, purpose built for trackdays... So it's not a sensation in that sense...

But the point remains... You can ride a bike with bad suspension faster than you think... But it's a whole lot easier to go fast on good suspension... In fact once you get the bike set up for you, it feels like you are going darned slow, and still people are getting in your way, braking halfway through the straights...

You only know the best you have tried... And if you only have tried the stock parts... Well... I would suggest trying something better darned soon...

 

seals are actually quite easy also, just a couple more bolts

 

I used to race 250 production (NSR250 MC18), and while I have never tracked my Firestorm, I have some idea of what a bike should do on the track.
The front is woefully undersprung, unless you are <65kg
For a first go at the track, put new springs in at the front, and go out & have a good time

The Racetech fork springs I put in have made a world of difference. The rear shock spring is close enough to live with for the moment, but I have a CBR600F4i shock on the way, to modify ala Jamie Daugherty style.


If you get serious about tracking it, get the forks resprung and put racetech gold valves in them, and get a JD modified CBR F4i shock- I keep hearing good things about them.
Braided lines are a must.
Enginewise, put a set of hi-rise cans on (for ground clearance, the other lacking part of the stock bike), a DNA or K&N filter and a jet kit in.
Time on track will do more for your laptimes than money on mods, and money on suspension will do more than money on the engine.

 

Yeah sure whatever you say...... but then again my fully Ohlins equipped bike does handle just a touch different than yours.

So now that the pissing contest is over. I still stand by my original statement.... The stock set up is rather poor and you would be hard pressed to find someone that agrees with you that when ridden hard there are no complaints about the stock suspension.

 

+1 the stock suspension is one of the worst setups Honda rolled out with. for goodness sakes the rear shock is not even fully adjustable and don't get me started on the Mickey Mouse fork damping.

If the stock system is working for an owner great, but a quick poll would put the stock crap at a 1 or 2 out of 10 with 10 being great.

 

C'mon, Jarhead. I was just teasing. Yes, I'm going to upgrade the front. Probably with springs instead of going to an RC51 front end. I've ridden my bike pretty aggressively for awhile and I've never got the "shimmers" in the corners that everyone else seems to talk about. Maybe it's due to my light weight, or maybe I'm just not pushing her as hard as you guys are. Either way I'd like to put a few track days on the stock springs so I'll have a basis for comparison.

As far as the 'work' that's involved... We can go ahead and assume that I can handle pretty much anything that needs to be done to this bike. I'm in the middle of rebuilding the engine right now, I've turned wrench on over 700 bikes and I'm the owner of the highest rated motorcycle shop in Virginia, MD and DC. I'm not saying I know everything, cuz' I don't, which is evident in the fact that I'm asking questions on the forum. All I'm trying to say is that mechanical ability, tools, and Garage space are not issues with me, so if you know of a mod that would help me out, but have resisted from telling me due to difficulty level, then please tell away.

Thanks for all the advice. I'm documenting my progress on the chicken, so I'll be posting up a big write-up later.

 

Well then don't forget to brace the swingarm..... for serious track work, you will need it.

 

Agreed, brace the swingarm, and I fully agree that if you are lightweight swapping the springs and valving will give you a lot of bang-for-buck... But at that point, remember to go looking for a forkbrace... It's not just the springs and valves, the front end flexes a lot, even with a lighter weight rider like you, and if you get that brace on there creating a lot more solid unit, the feel will improve a lot...

 

If you've worked on that many bikes all you have to do is look at the front suspension of ANY race worthy bike and then look at the bicycle front suspension they put on the superhawk. I've ridden a lot of superhawks and while I will agree that a sprung and braced SH is a big improvement if you have the time and money go for the swap. In terms of over all improvement it can't be beat, the gain in brake power and feel alone is almost worth it and then you add full adjustability and stiffness of inverted forks and MUCH larger triples, much more feel and stabillity with turning.

IMO 1st thing to spend your money on is track seat time, this eventually will tell you when you need to spend the money on the second thing, suspension!