out of curiousity
02-14-2010 | 12:26 PM
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02-14-2010 | 12:51 PM
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Having been at the controls of a race spec superbike for a few laps I can tell you that no, it's not very subjective... The difference to a "same model" street bike is very, very big... The difference to the VTR is monumental...
It made all other bikes (except one!) I have ridden seem sedate, user friendly and easy going... The other being a race spec GP500 two-stroke... And that's not a bike, that's an explosion on two wheels...
It made all other bikes (except one!) I have ridden seem sedate, user friendly and easy going... The other being a race spec GP500 two-stroke... And that's not a bike, that's an explosion on two wheels...
02-14-2010 | 12:58 PM
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From Wikipedia (Superbike Racing):
So you're telling me that the Superhawk was never raced in any series/at any level, and that it somehow does not conform to the definition above?
Please note: I am not arguing that it raced at the World Superbike level, or is currently a competitive bike. Sure a CBR1000 is "more Superbike", but the term Superbike has a slightly broader meaning than that.
Characteristics of Superbike racing motorcycles
Superbike racing motorcycles are derived from standard production models, so for a bike to be eligible, the manufacturer must first homologate the model and manufacture the required number of roadgoing machines. While rules vary from series to series, in general the motorcycles must maintain the same profile as their roadgoing counterparts, with the same overall appearance as seen from the front, rear and sides. In addition, the frame cannot be modified. Teams may modify some elements of the bike, including the suspensions, brakes, swingarm, and the diameter and size of the wheels.
Superbike racing motorcycles must have four-stroke engines of between 850 cc and 1200 cc for twins, and between 750 cc and 1000 cc for four cylinder machines.
The restriction to production models distinguishes Superbike racing from MotoGP racing, which uses prototype machines that bear little resemblance to production machines. This is somewhat similar to the distinction in car racing between touring cars and Formula One cars, though the performance gap between Superbike and MotoGP racing is much smaller.
The worlds first 'Superbike' was built by Ross Hannan in the 70's and was ridden successfully in Australia by kiwi Graeme Crosby. After fading support for the class in Australia the concept of the 'Superbike' was then introduced to the US by aussie Warren Willing and soon the AMA 'Superbike' Championship was born.
Superbike racing motorcycles are derived from standard production models, so for a bike to be eligible, the manufacturer must first homologate the model and manufacture the required number of roadgoing machines. While rules vary from series to series, in general the motorcycles must maintain the same profile as their roadgoing counterparts, with the same overall appearance as seen from the front, rear and sides. In addition, the frame cannot be modified. Teams may modify some elements of the bike, including the suspensions, brakes, swingarm, and the diameter and size of the wheels.
Superbike racing motorcycles must have four-stroke engines of between 850 cc and 1200 cc for twins, and between 750 cc and 1000 cc for four cylinder machines.
The restriction to production models distinguishes Superbike racing from MotoGP racing, which uses prototype machines that bear little resemblance to production machines. This is somewhat similar to the distinction in car racing between touring cars and Formula One cars, though the performance gap between Superbike and MotoGP racing is much smaller.
The worlds first 'Superbike' was built by Ross Hannan in the 70's and was ridden successfully in Australia by kiwi Graeme Crosby. After fading support for the class in Australia the concept of the 'Superbike' was then introduced to the US by aussie Warren Willing and soon the AMA 'Superbike' Championship was born.
Please note: I am not arguing that it raced at the World Superbike level, or is currently a competitive bike. Sure a CBR1000 is "more Superbike", but the term Superbike has a slightly broader meaning than that.
02-14-2010 | 01:26 PM
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02-14-2010 | 01:30 PM
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02-14-2010 | 01:38 PM
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Kidding aside I think it'll do it. I've had a wideglide up to 112 indicated, and a fatboy maybe a few mph less. I wouldn't call it "cruising" and I wouldn't call it comfortable, and most roads aren't long enough to hold it wide open that long lol.
02-14-2010 | 01:48 PM
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02-14-2010 | 01:54 PM
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From Wikipedia (Superbike Racing):
So you're telling me that the Superhawk was never raced in any series/at any level, and that it somehow does not conform to the definition above?
Please note: I am not arguing that it raced at the World Superbike level, or is currently a competitive bike. Sure a CBR1000 is "more Superbike", but the term Superbike has a slightly broader meaning than that.
So you're telling me that the Superhawk was never raced in any series/at any level, and that it somehow does not conform to the definition above?
Please note: I am not arguing that it raced at the World Superbike level, or is currently a competitive bike. Sure a CBR1000 is "more Superbike", but the term Superbike has a slightly broader meaning than that.
To my above statement should probably be added "current factory" infront of "race spec superbike"... And while it may look like a street bike it certainly doesn't feel like one... Or go like one...
02-14-2010 | 08:17 PM
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the firestorm was much faster than the superhawk, especially in yellow. which we all know is by far the fastest color. and you combine yellow and firestorm the mixture is equal to an a bomb going off at half throttle and a black hole sucking in the earth in one gulp at full throttle. thats why yellow firestorm riders dont ever go past 1/4 throttle. its just more speed than any single person could handle. except chuck norris. chuck went 3/4 throttle on a yellow firestorm. remember the dinosaurs. yeah their extinction happened when chuck rolled onto the throttle too hard.
im drunk, dont mind me, im just burning a movie to watch with the wife
im drunk, dont mind me, im just burning a movie to watch with the wife
02-14-2010 | 09:17 PM
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the firestorm was much faster than the superhawk, especially in yellow. which we all know is by far the fastest color. and you combine yellow and firestorm the mixture is equal to an a bomb going off at half throttle and a black hole sucking in the earth in one gulp at full throttle. thats why yellow firestorm riders dont ever go past 1/4 throttle. its just more speed than any single person could handle. except chuck norris. chuck went 3/4 throttle on a yellow firestorm. remember the dinosaurs. yeah their extinction happened when chuck rolled onto the throttle too hard.
im drunk, dont mind me, im just burning a movie to watch with the wife
im drunk, dont mind me, im just burning a movie to watch with the wife
boy and I glad I got a yellow Firestorm
02-14-2010 | 10:32 PM
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Up until 2001 they were basically the same, but after that the Euro models got an update that the US models did not.
19 litre tank
New dash assembly with fuel gauge
H.I.S.S security system
Later model switchblocks
Upgraded fork internals (not much though - they were still rubbish)
Upgraded clip-ons with a more comfortable position
Brake and clutch reservoirs changed to steel
New indicators
A couple of colour changes.
That is about it from memory.
19 litre tank
New dash assembly with fuel gauge
H.I.S.S security system
Later model switchblocks
Upgraded fork internals (not much though - they were still rubbish)
Upgraded clip-ons with a more comfortable position
Brake and clutch reservoirs changed to steel
New indicators
A couple of colour changes.
That is about it from memory.
02-14-2010 | 11:07 PM
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IN AUSTRALIA THEY ARE CALLED "HONDA VTR1000F FIRESTORM"
I ALWAYS UNDERSTOOD ANY PRODUCTION 1000cc SPORTS MOTORCYCLE TO BE A SUPER BIKE . 600cc IS SUPER SPORT . THEN MOTO GP IS LIKE FORMULA 1 CARS.
BUT THATS JUST THE WAY I SEE IT ! 
I ALWAYS UNDERSTOOD ANY PRODUCTION 1000cc SPORTS MOTORCYCLE TO BE A SUPER BIKE . 600cc IS SUPER SPORT . THEN MOTO GP IS LIKE FORMULA 1 CARS.
BUT THATS JUST THE WAY I SEE IT !
02-14-2010 | 11:10 PM
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the firestorm was much faster than the superhawk, especially in yellow. which we all know is by far the fastest color. and you combine yellow and firestorm the mixture is equal to an a bomb going off at half throttle and a black hole sucking in the earth in one gulp at full throttle. thats why yellow firestorm riders dont ever go past 1/4 throttle. its just more speed than any single person could handle. except chuck norris. chuck went 3/4 throttle on a yellow firestorm. remember the dinosaurs. yeah their extinction happened when chuck rolled onto the throttle too hard.
im drunk, dont mind me, im just burning a movie to watch with the wife
im drunk, dont mind me, im just burning a movie to watch with the wife
LOL
02-14-2010 | 11:17 PM
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the firestorm was much faster than the superhawk, especially in yellow. which we all know is by far the fastest color. and you combine yellow and firestorm the mixture is equal to an a bomb going off at half throttle and a black hole sucking in the earth in one gulp at full throttle. thats why yellow firestorm riders dont ever go past 1/4 throttle. its just more speed than any single person could handle. except chuck norris. chuck went 3/4 throttle on a yellow firestorm. remember the dinosaurs. yeah their extinction happened when chuck rolled onto the throttle too hard.
im drunk, dont mind me, im just burning a movie to watch with the wife
im drunk, dont mind me, im just burning a movie to watch with the wife
THAT IS SOOO FUNNNNY........................................... ........!!!!!!!
02-15-2010 | 05:06 AM
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Up until 2001 they were basically the same, but after that the Euro models got an update that the US models did not.
19 litre tank
New dash assembly with fuel gauge
H.I.S.S security system
Later model switchblocks
Upgraded fork internals (not much though - they were still rubbish)
Upgraded clip-ons with a more comfortable position
Brake and clutch reservoirs changed to steel
New indicators
A couple of colour changes.
That is about it from memory.
19 litre tank
New dash assembly with fuel gauge
H.I.S.S security system
Later model switchblocks
Upgraded fork internals (not much though - they were still rubbish)
Upgraded clip-ons with a more comfortable position
Brake and clutch reservoirs changed to steel
New indicators
A couple of colour changes.
That is about it from memory.
is the euro version something like this?
02-15-2010 | 06:04 AM
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Up until 2001 they were basically the same, but after that the Euro models got an update that the US models did not.
19 litre tank
New dash assembly with fuel gauge
H.I.S.S security system
Later model switchblocks
Upgraded fork internals (not much though - they were still rubbish)
Upgraded clip-ons with a more comfortable position
Brake and clutch reservoirs changed to steel
New indicators
A couple of colour changes.
That is about it from memory.
19 litre tank
New dash assembly with fuel gauge
H.I.S.S security system
Later model switchblocks
Upgraded fork internals (not much though - they were still rubbish)
Upgraded clip-ons with a more comfortable position
Brake and clutch reservoirs changed to steel
New indicators
A couple of colour changes.
That is about it from memory.
02-15-2010 | 10:50 AM
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didnt mean too get such a dilema started was just curious, as for it being a super bike, well its just awesome to me, seein how it is my 1st crotchrocket(can i use that word for it or is that offensive to someone too?) I am still waiting on some better weather to ride it for my 1st real time 'cept cross the yard or dwn the drive way still have snow falling today, goin on 3 weeks of rain or snow, not sure what day i joined this forum but it was the day after i got this bike, sure glad i found both
02-15-2010 | 03:27 PM
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Hmmmm......... if you got bikes with all the other changes then how come you didn't get the bigger tank?????? I always thought that you guys just got older production model bikes, but that must not be the case. Why would Honda produce two separate models, just to give you less gas?????!!!!!
I have thought about this, and I reckon it because they just don't like you.
As far as I know all Canadian models were Euro spec.
02-15-2010 | 06:16 PM
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All the Commonwealth bikes got the bigger tank. Ours being a little larger planet, Honda determined we needed to stop for a smoke or a beer every hundred miles. For me, that was every 87. I'm convinced if you're going to do high mileage on a Superhawk most of the time it's on a trailer. That's the problem with Texas - huge miles in between great places to ride and see.
02-15-2010 | 06:41 PM
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[Why would Honda produce two separate models, just to give you less gas?????!!!!!
I have thought about this, and I reckon it because they just don't like you.
As far as I know all Canadian models were Euro spec.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I'm sure they hate the country that buys most of their cars and motorcycles.
I have thought about this, and I reckon it because they just don't like you.
As far as I know all Canadian models were Euro spec.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I'm sure they hate the country that buys most of their cars and motorcycles.
