Carb Synch tool
#1
Carb Synch tool
Just wondering what you guys thing about this for a carb sync tool?
http://www.powerchutes.com/manometer.asp
Anyone know of a good place to buy a set of mercury sticks? I am seeing all of the kits over 100 bucks or near 100 bucks.
http://www.powerchutes.com/manometer.asp
Anyone know of a good place to buy a set of mercury sticks? I am seeing all of the kits over 100 bucks or near 100 bucks.
#3
Carb sticks
Just wondering what you guys thing about this for a carb sync tool?
http://www.powerchutes.com/manometer.asp
Anyone know of a good place to buy a set of mercury sticks? I am seeing all of the kits over 100 bucks or near 100 bucks.
http://www.powerchutes.com/manometer.asp
Anyone know of a good place to buy a set of mercury sticks? I am seeing all of the kits over 100 bucks or near 100 bucks.
I bought a four-tube set from JC Whitney years ago. Mercury is preferable to oil because you don't need long tubes, and the lighter the liquid, the more bouncing up and down there's gonna be with intake pulses, so I don't see how the oil tubes would be better except in one area: Cost.
My mercury tubes have little plastic plugs with jet-size holes in them to try and buffer the bouncing some. Also, revving it and letting the throttle slam closed may more easily suck the oil into the intake if the tubes aren't long enough.
Those sticks will work fine, but be a little unwieldy. The expense, though. You can't beat that.
#4
Excuse, please? How do you balance a 6 cylinder MC engine with four tubes. I looked at that engine in awe the other day. The only thing I could think of the was a 6-deuce setup on a Ford Coupe project - what a f'ing mess!
#5
No CBX, no mo.
I don't have a CBX anymore, I only have pictures of the one I had in the '80's.
Cool motor pic, but check out this 80's haircut!
#7
CBX, get a reference cylinder and adjust all others to the ref. For the tube I think it's worth a try, and why not make restrictor drilled 1/16 in both tube, this should dampen the oil as well, I like cheap ideas like these.(I'm poor I'm building a garage) You could even sync your CBX doin a ref cyl with the 1.55 $ thingy.
#8
A ref. cylinder sounds good, and all bikes have one carb without an adjustment so you can match all the others to it, but my experience is that when you change one carb setting, the tube vacuum on the others also change, and when you change those, they change the others, etc.
Therefore, constant tinkering is required, as you have to check the others every time you make an adjustment. But with a set-up as cheap as that outlined above, it would be no big deal to have six tubes.
Check that, the cheap setup above will only work for pairs of cylinders, after I actually read the article, so it'd be okay for a Superhawk or other twin, but you could not sync a 3 or 4-cylinder bike without a lot of switching of tubes to different cylinders to check & recheck after adjustment.
But then, this is a V-twin forum.
Therefore, constant tinkering is required, as you have to check the others every time you make an adjustment. But with a set-up as cheap as that outlined above, it would be no big deal to have six tubes.
Check that, the cheap setup above will only work for pairs of cylinders, after I actually read the article, so it'd be okay for a Superhawk or other twin, but you could not sync a 3 or 4-cylinder bike without a lot of switching of tubes to different cylinders to check & recheck after adjustment.
But then, this is a V-twin forum.
#9
[QUOTE=khanawalt;47518]A ref. cylinder sounds good, and all bikes have one carb without an adjustment so you can match all the others to it, but my experience is that when you change one carb setting, the tube vacuum on the others also change, and when you change those, they change the others, etc.[QUOTE]
Thanks, and yeah, that's what I remember - "the musical lines from one carb to the other" I think we abandoned ship as "close enough" - never could say it was dead on. Then along came the big four-barrels and our prayers were answered!
Thanks, and yeah, that's what I remember - "the musical lines from one carb to the other" I think we abandoned ship as "close enough" - never could say it was dead on. Then along came the big four-barrels and our prayers were answered!
#10
I invested in a morgan carbtune awhile back. Not any more/less accurate in my mind, but nice not having to deal with mercury.
The worst thing on the cbx is just getting to all the adjustment screws, especially on the inner carbs. You have to approach from the front for some, the back for others and ideally there are 2 different length adjustment wrenches so you can fit in between frame rails for 2 of them. I've used a 4-carb tool and done 3-6, then 1-4. The 4 is the reference carb. It sures makes me appreciate the superhawk!
bill
The worst thing on the cbx is just getting to all the adjustment screws, especially on the inner carbs. You have to approach from the front for some, the back for others and ideally there are 2 different length adjustment wrenches so you can fit in between frame rails for 2 of them. I've used a 4-carb tool and done 3-6, then 1-4. The 4 is the reference carb. It sures makes me appreciate the superhawk!
bill
#12
#13
why dont the vacuum gauges work, like http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Motor...QQcmdZViewItem ?
#14
#17
Vacuum gauges work great. Take a look at a previous post of my setup, the adjustable dampeners I cooked up work perfectly also.
https://www.superhawkforum.com/forum...read.php?t=651
These are industrial gauges ($15 ea). They probably are very accurate but it isn't how accurate that matters. What you want to check is if they read the same. To do this just take a 'T' connection and connect both gauges up to a single line and then pull a vacuum on that line. Both gauges should read the same. If they don't read the same it's easy to just mark one of the gauges for the correction factor... eg: write on the face of one gauge "READS ½ LOW". That way you can you'll be sure to be right-on.
The gauges I used in this project are a 2.5" face and read over a 270° sweep. It's easy to read a small fraction of 1" with the thin needle, when the dampening is adjusted the needles are very stable.
adjustable dampening....
https://www.superhawkforum.com/forum...read.php?t=651
These are industrial gauges ($15 ea). They probably are very accurate but it isn't how accurate that matters. What you want to check is if they read the same. To do this just take a 'T' connection and connect both gauges up to a single line and then pull a vacuum on that line. Both gauges should read the same. If they don't read the same it's easy to just mark one of the gauges for the correction factor... eg: write on the face of one gauge "READS ½ LOW". That way you can you'll be sure to be right-on.
The gauges I used in this project are a 2.5" face and read over a 270° sweep. It's easy to read a small fraction of 1" with the thin needle, when the dampening is adjusted the needles are very stable.
adjustable dampening....
#18
Nice setup, also fluid filled gauges may prove stable but restricting flow and using rubber hose should be good enough, just check a reference pressure to make sure they read the same, if not just keep in mind the difference while adjusting.
#19
Here is a pic of the tool I had for my Ducati. You couldn't use the mercury sticks on it, so this is what they recommended. It just sits on the trumpets. A little time consuming moving it back and forth to get the adjustment right, but works pretty good.
#21
I just built the tool from the first posts link. I have a couple questions...
First, I got them synced up and they were clearly off according to the tool... I knew they would be as my "***-dyno" also knew something was up. I set them for balance at idle, but not for higher rpm, was just too much of a pain to do it while giving it gas. My question is, why would you be required to pinch the vacuum line to the petcock to get proper vacuum on this line if when you are running, this line is actually open? I did verify that the vacuum changes a bit when this line is pinched off, but does pinching it really isolate just the carbs? I teed off this line for the carb sync hookup and pinched it between the "T" and the p/****.
Also, I am guessing it would be normal to find a bit of fuel in the 2 vacuum lines I ran and capped off for this after the caps are removed? They were a little damp with gas at the end of the hose...
First, I got them synced up and they were clearly off according to the tool... I knew they would be as my "***-dyno" also knew something was up. I set them for balance at idle, but not for higher rpm, was just too much of a pain to do it while giving it gas. My question is, why would you be required to pinch the vacuum line to the petcock to get proper vacuum on this line if when you are running, this line is actually open? I did verify that the vacuum changes a bit when this line is pinched off, but does pinching it really isolate just the carbs? I teed off this line for the carb sync hookup and pinched it between the "T" and the p/****.
Also, I am guessing it would be normal to find a bit of fuel in the 2 vacuum lines I ran and capped off for this after the caps are removed? They were a little damp with gas at the end of the hose...
#22
Thought i might bring this thread back, simply because i had a question. I know you guys were talking about making your own carb sync tool, but what about just buying one. I'd like an electronic one, not like the motion pro one's where it's just tubes and mercury. I've only found one, and it's damn expensive:
http://www.kowatools.com/cgi-bin/miv...Code=KEK-55-64
Anybody know of any other companies that make something similar?
-Miles
http://www.kowatools.com/cgi-bin/miv...Code=KEK-55-64
Anybody know of any other companies that make something similar?
-Miles
#23
#25
I know this is an old thread, however I have another question.
I want to make a vacuum gauge synch tool. I new I would need liquid filled gauges, however I wanted to know if a small chamber like a vacuum boost bottle would help to buffer the pulses and make the reading a bit steadier?
I want to make a vacuum gauge synch tool. I new I would need liquid filled gauges, however I wanted to know if a small chamber like a vacuum boost bottle would help to buffer the pulses and make the reading a bit steadier?
#26
Not sure how much that would help - 10 in/hg vacuum is 10 in/hg vacuum, regardless of the volume.
If anything would help it would be restricting the orifice size that the vacuum signal is traveling through, just like 99hawk posted, to reduce the amount of flow, thus reducing the size of the pulses. The Motion Pro carb sync tool I have, the SyncPro (white plastic unit with 4 lines and blue fluid) actually comes with little brass reducers to do this job.
If anything would help it would be restricting the orifice size that the vacuum signal is traveling through, just like 99hawk posted, to reduce the amount of flow, thus reducing the size of the pulses. The Motion Pro carb sync tool I have, the SyncPro (white plastic unit with 4 lines and blue fluid) actually comes with little brass reducers to do this job.
#27
I have a set like these. Had them for years. Very siumple to calibrate. Just leave on carb as is and hook up the #1 gauge to the other carb and set the gauge while bike is idling. Then hook the #2 gauge up to the same carb and set exactly the same.
Then hook #1 and #2 gauges up to both carbs and perform the sync.
Safe and no mercury around to deal with.
You can also check the sync at higher revs without sucking mercury into the engine. It is hard to see in the pic, but there are little in-line valves to helps with the needle pulsing.
http://www.jpcycles.com/productdetai...&page=&search=
Then hook #1 and #2 gauges up to both carbs and perform the sync.
Safe and no mercury around to deal with.
You can also check the sync at higher revs without sucking mercury into the engine. It is hard to see in the pic, but there are little in-line valves to helps with the needle pulsing.
http://www.jpcycles.com/productdetai...&page=&search=
#28
I have a set like these. Had them for years. Very siumple to calibrate. Just leave on carb as is and hook up the #1 gauge to the other carb and set the gauge while bike is idling. Then hook the #2 gauge up to the same carb and set exactly the same.
Then hook #1 and #2 gauges up to both carbs and perform the sync.
Safe and no mercury around to deal with.
You can also check the sync at higher revs without sucking mercury into the engine. It is hard to see in the pic, but there are little in-line valves to helps with the needle pulsing.
http://www.jpcycles.com/productdetai...&page=&search=
Then hook #1 and #2 gauges up to both carbs and perform the sync.
Safe and no mercury around to deal with.
You can also check the sync at higher revs without sucking mercury into the engine. It is hard to see in the pic, but there are little in-line valves to helps with the needle pulsing.
http://www.jpcycles.com/productdetai...&page=&search=
#29
I also have a set of these guages that I bought years ago. The only other thing that I needed was a carb stick, that I keep per. mounted in the front cyl head, some tubing and a couple (2) inline joints and caps.
Hope this helps.
Hope this helps.
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