bike just died, complete loss of power/electricity
06-23-2012 | 01:52 PM
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bike just died, complete loss of power/electricity
Currently on the side of the road, waiting for triple a to rescue me. While riding, bike just completely died. No warning. Even tried to beep for my buddy ahead of me, no horn. When I turn the key to on, there's nothing. No lights, gauges, horn.
Prior history is clean. Nothing acting suspicious. Ridden almost daily.
My question?
WTF!? Where do I start? First bank of fuses are good. Nothing visible like torn, ripped or frayed wires...
Prior history is clean. Nothing acting suspicious. Ridden almost daily.
My question?
WTF!? Where do I start? First bank of fuses are good. Nothing visible like torn, ripped or frayed wires...
06-23-2012 | 02:05 PM
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OK kewl man thanks...another note I tried to pop start it, an nothing. So no spark...an good lookin wicky, that was fast!
I'm suspecting, from what all I've read on this site...it may be the reg rec...it doesn't look stock, or like the nice ones..
I'm suspecting, from what all I've read on this site...it may be the reg rec...it doesn't look stock, or like the nice ones..
06-23-2012 | 02:08 PM
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Like said above,first check battery connections,can com loose.
Next,you wanna check your starter relay connection and fuse.If that fuse blows,nothing will work.
If that is fine,check wire connectors for corrosion.this can cause problems too.
Check R/R for burning and corrosion.
If all this checks out and are confident everything is fine,check and play around with the starter button.This can cause bike to shut off or headlight not to work.This happened to me with the headlights.
It is possible the starter relay is failing,it will work on and off,my bike would shut off and have no power.I would knock at the starter relay with a screw driver and it would come back on.
Most likely,it's the starter button or Starter relay
Next,you wanna check your starter relay connection and fuse.If that fuse blows,nothing will work.
If that is fine,check wire connectors for corrosion.this can cause problems too.
Check R/R for burning and corrosion.
If all this checks out and are confident everything is fine,check and play around with the starter button.This can cause bike to shut off or headlight not to work.This happened to me with the headlights.
It is possible the starter relay is failing,it will work on and off,my bike would shut off and have no power.I would knock at the starter relay with a screw driver and it would come back on.
Most likely,it's the starter button or Starter relay
06-23-2012 | 03:08 PM
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Those are all possibilities, but the most likely culprit by far is the regulator. The 30 amp main fuse will be blown. If you are not too far from home, less than 100 miles, and your battery has been working well, then you need to first unplug the RR. Then replace the 30 amp main fuse at the starter solenoid. If you ONLY stick a new fuse in, it will likely blow immediately or withing a short time, and other electrical things will be damaged. Also unplug the headlight to conserve electricity. The bike should start right up and run until the ignition system drains the battery.
06-23-2012 | 03:28 PM
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When my r/r went out my tachometer stopped working then my speedometer then my lights went dim then it died this all happened in a matter of ten fifteen mins it rode till the battery died. Just my experience
06-23-2012 | 04:19 PM
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Talked to my buddy and he said the same thing when the r/r goes lights dim and electrical just looses power after the battery dies.said that if lost complete power most likely stater relay or button.but beerhunter has helped me a lot so maybe he knows something about it that I don't so not trying to over rule his answer just letting you know my side hope this helps
06-23-2012 | 05:53 PM
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Thanks for all the help! Yeah it just kina died. All at once, while riding. I'll look into all the possibilities tomorrow, for now I just swapped it out for the bandit...its still too nice out to start wrenching!
06-24-2012 | 08:51 AM
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Alright an update guys...
So I have a blown 30 amp fuse..Beerhunters predictions are coming true! LOL
And heres a pics of the Reg/Rec...looks like those ones on fleabay for thirty bucks..
My poor Hawk!!! NOoooooo....I thought this only happened to my Bandit! LMFAO!!
Damn those pics are big...sorry anybody with a crappy connection...I reduced the size to 400x400...live an learn I guess.
So yeah. I'm thinking Reg/Rec at this point. Any sure way to test it? like ohms from pin 'x' to pin 'y'?
And you stand correct aja, there is a spare right in there underneath it all in the rubber boot. I wonder what for...if only to blow again?
All the support is very appreciated guys...
So I have a blown 30 amp fuse..Beerhunters predictions are coming true! LOL
And heres a pics of the Reg/Rec...looks like those ones on fleabay for thirty bucks..
My poor Hawk!!! NOoooooo....I thought this only happened to my Bandit! LMFAO!!
Damn those pics are big...sorry anybody with a crappy connection...I reduced the size to 400x400...live an learn I guess.
So yeah. I'm thinking Reg/Rec at this point. Any sure way to test it? like ohms from pin 'x' to pin 'y'?
And you stand correct aja, there is a spare right in there underneath it all in the rubber boot. I wonder what for...if only to blow again?
All the support is very appreciated guys...
Last edited by Bandit400man; 06-24-2012 at 08:56 AM.
06-24-2012 | 11:05 AM
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I tested might r by setting the meter to make a soil d when it grounded out. Did you put a new fuse on it to see if it would pop again.. mine popped right when I plugged the r/r back in. Get a 08zx6r r/r. That's what I did and my bike charges perfect now.
06-24-2012 | 11:33 AM
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Instructions
https://www.superhawkforum.com/forum...ad.php?t=14380
List of MOSFET r/r's
https://www.superhawkforum.com/forum...ad.php?t=25117
https://www.superhawkforum.com/forum...ad.php?t=14380
List of MOSFET r/r's
https://www.superhawkforum.com/forum...ad.php?t=25117
06-25-2012 | 12:09 AM
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Bandit400man, glad you and your bike are O.K. Thank goodness it didnt' happen as you were passing the worlds 2nd largest winnbago while approaching the worlds largest winnabago. If it does turn out to be your R/R, welcome to the club. Been there, done that. Glad you are O.K.
+1 on aja freeby links for you. Saved a search, but sometimes help for a fellow rider at the time is more important than--give me a fish I eat for the day, teach me to fish and I live for a life time? Learn to fish, after you have the STRENGTH to fish. Just my 2cts.
Sorry for the Jack...
+1 on aja freeby links for you. Saved a search, but sometimes help for a fellow rider at the time is more important than--give me a fish I eat for the day, teach me to fish and I live for a life time? Learn to fish, after you have the STRENGTH to fish. Just my 2cts.
Sorry for the Jack...
06-25-2012 | 05:01 AM
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It's all good thanks for all the help guys...
I did put in the new fuse an simply turned the key...everything lit up..headlights, gauges, ect. So maybe my battery isn't fried? I'm assuming I could simply test the voltage? Or would it still like, be screwed up somehow?
So a new reg rec...hmmm...lots of good reading here on that topic.
Thanks again everyone! I'll keep everyone posted on my progress...
I did put in the new fuse an simply turned the key...everything lit up..headlights, gauges, ect. So maybe my battery isn't fried? I'm assuming I could simply test the voltage? Or would it still like, be screwed up somehow?
So a new reg rec...hmmm...lots of good reading here on that topic.
Thanks again everyone! I'll keep everyone posted on my progress...
06-25-2012 | 08:28 AM
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When mine went bad I replaced the fuse and everything worked. I couldn't get it started without jumper cables, and once off the cables it would die in a few seconds.
Test your voltage with key off, then with it on. That should give you a good idea of the battery condition. I wouldn't run the bike though as it may cause further damage to the battery.
Test your voltage with key off, then with it on. That should give you a good idea of the battery condition. I wouldn't run the bike though as it may cause further damage to the battery.
06-25-2012 | 08:33 AM
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Cool, thanks...yeah I hadn't planned on actually starting it until I got the right model rr figured out..still reading that long *** post Haha...thinkin on a sing ding dong pn fh012aa...am I on the right track?
06-25-2012 | 08:42 AM
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if the battery is old,than you do want a newer battery,old technology wont work good with newer technology.
06-25-2012 | 08:46 AM
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Thanks saige...the battery looks newer..which doesn't say much lol...I'll just have to test it like aja said...but like I said it just cut right out cold..so I'm hoping minimal damage was done...
06-25-2012 | 09:27 AM
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Sorry I was away this weekend at a youth retreat with no technology or I would have chimed in. This same thing happened to me a week ago. Doing about 70ish on the highway and suddenly, nothing. All power gone. Got it towed, got home, did some t-shootin and found the fuse on the ignition relay was blown. Two days later I had to bump start the bike because the battery was to low to start it. Ordered a new R/R, changed it out in my work parking lot and now it is running like a champ. I got a new one, aftermarket, shipped it two day from regulatorrectifier.com. Super huge heat sink and over sized to handle the power better. Seems to work well, will have to see the longevity. At $89 I may buy another one just to have around.
06-25-2012 | 10:52 AM
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Went from there...TONS of options...just crazy to see the price spread...like $20 to over $100...
And funds are tight now (well, all the time LOL) so I'm trying to stay away from the 'get what ya pay for' mantra...
And funds are tight now (well, all the time LOL) so I'm trying to stay away from the 'get what ya pay for' mantra...
06-25-2012 | 11:41 AM
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http://item.mobileweb.ebay.com/viewi...id=64346908180
http://item.mobileweb.ebay.com/viewi...id=00189070842
http://item.mobileweb.ebay.com/viewi...id=98880765773
Just a few that were cheap. Sorry about the mobile links.
http://item.mobileweb.ebay.com/viewi...id=00189070842
http://item.mobileweb.ebay.com/viewi...id=98880765773
Just a few that were cheap. Sorry about the mobile links.
06-25-2012 | 12:02 PM
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How about this one?
http://item.mobileweb.ebay.com/viewi...id=11101823807
That's one of the few that explicitly state FH instead of SH...
http://item.mobileweb.ebay.com/viewi...id=11101823807
That's one of the few that explicitly state FH instead of SH...
06-25-2012 | 02:09 PM
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UPDATE!!
So I tested the battery...
Key off, at the terminal- 12.55VDC
Key on, lights on, all that- 12.0somethinVDC
So this is telling me my battery may have been spared? 12V seems spot on for a 12 volt battery...
Also, I may spring for this:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/YAMAHA-SHIND...624e04&vxp=mtr
It's pricy, but would give me a warm fuzzy knowing it would work AND look sexy doin it...
So I tested the battery...
Key off, at the terminal- 12.55VDC
Key on, lights on, all that- 12.0somethinVDC
So this is telling me my battery may have been spared? 12V seems spot on for a 12 volt battery...
Also, I may spring for this:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/YAMAHA-SHIND...624e04&vxp=mtr
It's pricy, but would give me a warm fuzzy knowing it would work AND look sexy doin it...
Last edited by Bandit400man; 06-25-2012 at 02:14 PM.
