It's an incredible shame. The movement which took of in the early 70s, a real sincere citizen movement of folks who realized that a stable population was the key to clean air, water, living space etc. was co opted, purchased actually and turned into big business by people with ulterior motives.

The U.S. now has about 75 million more people than it would have if we'd maintained the immigration policies that served us since the early 1920s.

But the fun is just starting;

http://www.prb.org/Articles/2008/us400million.aspx

U.S. population is projected (and these projections always fall short of reality) to grow by ONE HUNDRED MILLION in the next 30 years.

Imagine 100 million more people with no new oil, no new power plants- no new energy production. And a hundred million more people who use as much energy as you and I.

And virtually all that population growth from the segment of society least likely to assimilate, least likely to graduate high school, most likely to be welfare dependent.

Forget about your Jimma Carter sweater and fluorescent light bulb, brother. Buy rural property if you can. Buy guns and ammo in any case!

 

Good posting. Its rare that I ever see these subjects discussed without it turning into emotionally charged bullshit.

I'll check on those links when I get to an actual computer. Personally, I despise any sort of government-imposed resource rationing/conservation as it seems like socialism (and never applies to those in power), yet at the same time I'm a big conservationist.

We have this farce of a capitalist society where negative consequences are divorced from poor decision making. Why isn't there more incentive for living within our means? Our economy was propped up by overconsumption and everyone was counting their chickens. Now people have cut back so the government takes money we don't have so they can bribe us with it to consume more, or bribe the banks to roll out more credit so we can spend more money we don't have. But at the same time I'm only allowed to water my yard on certain days of the week, and I can't register my car if the check engine light is on.

Its all bass-ackwards. "Supersize your consumption, but please recycle and save the whales when you're done."

 

Yea, the model that used to stumble along aimlessly has crashed.
I would normally say that Omama doesnt have a clue where the economy really stands.
But I think they do know, and they are milking this crisis for every dollar they can.
Converting us to socialism takes lot of cash right?
Tim Geithner ? Holy **** what a doofus.
We wont even need to Overthrow the government as these dipshits will be shown the door soon enough anyway.

 

They're just lowering our standards. It's going quite well for them. I mean, come on, look at your 2 presidential choices last year. I can't think of any worse 2 choices out of all the candidates we had during primaries.

 

Ron Paul or maybe Fred were the only two candidates that even mentioned the real problems we have.
One thing is for sure, this country needs a good cleaning out, starting with the abolition of the democratic and republican parties , wholesale.

 

Too right mate! And too left mate(haha)

Could not have said it better myself.

 

GM, Ford, Chrysler should have gone down with AIG and the rest of the greedy financial criminals and they should suffer serious financial adjustments because of their poor judgement over the past few decades. That's what capitalism/free enterprise is all about as they've been arrogantly touting when anyone suggested regulation of anything to do with their finances and their autos. Basically, American auto makers have been making substandard vehicles and charging big bucks for a long time. They were also guilty of planning sequential mechanical failures for the purpose of encouraging trade-ins shortly after the warranty and further as 3-4 year financing periods elapsed. Meanwhile the Japs have been making excellent vehicles built to last at a fair value for the past several decades. I remember reading that at one point Ford had posted profits of $10,000 on each Ford Explorer they sold. If anyone couldn't see this and figure out that they were overpaying for a substandard vehicle, there's something wrong with their math as well as perception skills. Meanwhile toyota, Nissan, honda were doing their deal with the quality we're all familiar with. It finally caught up with the American companies when the economy began to weaken last year.

the present economic downturn would have been a perfect opportunity to test the validity of the capitalism we were supposedly operating under, but instead Obama bails out the criminals at the expense of all of us and turn it into who knows what system. The one thing we do know is that the government from Obama on down to your local representatives is owned by corporations and all-powerful lobbying groups like AIPAC. Either they play ball or their campaign funds will be alloted to their competitor. Therefore, we may as well sit back and eat the **** that's handed out to us because, as Ralph Nadar states, we are now a democracy of corporations. Our vote is now nothing more than an exercise in futility.

 

Thats the part that kills me , Omama being such a liberal and socialist would normally have done the oposite you would think... but no.
He saves and preserves the banking and real estate criminals to **** us all another day.
Proof again that both parties are indeed on the same exact page.
Omamas bullshit spoken during his election campaign turns out to be a completely more concentrated line of lies than the republicans ever tried to pass off on the public.
The republicans would have bailed out the banking theives of wall street, and paid for it by stealing.
Omama bails them all out and hands my future grand childrens children the bill.
There no doubt that Omama is supported by foreign money, and acts on higher orders than himself.

 

Yeah, Obama had me interested early on in the pres.campaign when he was stating his opposition to special interests groups, corporate lobbies, and the war, and that he had little political history to tie him to the wash. insiders/establishment. Then, about the time he was chosen as the democratic nominee, he, and then afterwards, Hil. Clinton stood in front of AIPAC, one of the richest and most insidious lobbing groups in washington, and patronized the **** out of them in an obsequious manner. At that point, I knew immediately that Obama was owned and had been deceptive in his rhetoric and that I could not vote for him. Unfortunately, most of the electorate didn't pick up on this early blatant deception and voted for him anyway. His actions since being elected are proof that my perceptions were correct.

 

I don't think AIPAC is really pulling the main strings here. They are powerful for sure, but its the international banking groups that direct the IMF and WTO are the folks that really control it all.

Since both parties are beholden to these dicks what can we even do when Coors consuming crumudgeons cling to the GOP and can't be swayed because they are too busy watching FOX news for it's "truth" or it's LOUD pretty girls, and the GOP is proping up candidates like Palin for them to oggle. Likewise the left leaning lesbian latte lappers love the Dems and are too busy buying cloth grocery store bags and overpriced overcomplicated dual drivetrain hybrids ( maintaince nightmares ) and New York Times subscriptions to even notice whats really going on with our country outside the whinny crap they are fed from MSNBC. It seems like people are so black and white in their approach to government that can't be convinced that neither party really matters.

Loud indignant rehtoric, image over substance, and a cult of personality seem to rule!?! What the hell can we do to get people to realize we are owned and controled by the dicks with all the money?

 

[QUOTE=Moto Man;221785]I don't think AIPAC is really pulling the main strings here. They are powerful for sure, but its the international banking groups that direct the IMF and WTO are the folks that really control it all.:QUOTE:

i didn't think it was as powerful as it is either until i listened to an author talking about how AIPAC required congress members to attend political functions and be interviewed publicly supporting them and particulars of their agenda. AIPAC also forces politicians to adhere in many ways under threat of supporting their opponents and building a case against them if they don't work actively in alignment with their agenda. Their influence is not limited to politicians, but extends to all forms of the media, many of which are owned by their membership/supporters as well, one of the reasons there is little to no reference to this atrocity in the media. One only has to think a little about our involvement in the Middle East to realize that we will be there indefinitely as a protective measure for Israel. Our lives, lives of occupied countries,and our money all going to protect the homeland of AIPAC, with virtually little or no consent of the American people.
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Loud indignant rehtoric, image over substance, and a cult of personality seem to rule!?! What the hell can we do to get people to realize we are owned and controled by the dicks with all the money?
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really, judging from people's opinions, it seem like we are dealing with a herd of cattle who change direction on particles of superficial soundbytes being thrown at them by biased and corrupted media. Multitasking, the descriptor of all the busy doing everything at once, has its time and place for sure, but as a way of life it leads to superficial thinking and results in a population ripe for being controlled, and also impossible to, as you put it, "get people to realize".

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