Fixed that for you.

 

I think my post when this thread was started a year ago sums it up pretty well. Some mistakes are worse than others.

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Originally Posted by cliby
but I think pedrosa has been one of the most consistent riders this and last season. they all make mistakes, especially when rookies. Remember the almost regular crashes from stoner his first GP season? And what about rossi taking out depuniet recently? Pedrosa is very good and particularly this season has been rock steady till this crash - despite a lot of races with intense pressure on him. I know he isn't popular here, but I don't understand the dislike of him. And to say any of these top riders are chokers is just absurd.

His talent and speed aren't in question, just his judgment. It's not the crashing that's the problem-you correctly state that they all do that-it's the time and places of the crashes. Two years ago he nearly cost Nicky Hayden the championship because of an incredibly stupid and unnecessary move. This year he may have cost himself the championship by throwing it away in Germany when he had an insurmountable lead. It's too early in his career to label him a choker, but a couple more mistakes like he has made and the label will be justified in my mind.
In spite of his crashitis his rookie season, Stoner has already won a title. In spite of the fact that Honda designed a bike around him and Dorna designed a series around him, Pedrosa hasn't won anything yet.

 

I don't agree... Surprising isn't it...

Weather Canepa is first or last and on a good bike or not I find rather irrelevant... But it's a fact that he is a teammate since he is on a satelite Ducati...

Also I agree he is running a bit slower, and on a wider line... But not that he's "off line" or pinching the corner...

If you look at the MotoGP guys they consistantly run wider lines in the wet, and if you look carefully on Canepa's line he is still aiming straigth through the corner on a smooth albeit wider line... Not pinching the line in the least...

Also Nicky's rear lets go, not a result of breaking to much (as in avoiding Canepa), but a result of either taking a to narrow line for the conditions or to much speed... Or a result of the rear getting light and loosing grip as he lets of the throttle... Not brake related, but means he might have missjudged Canepa's speed...

And like with Dani - Nicky... The one coming from behind has the responsibility to not run into the other... Only way you can pin it on the one in front is if he is deliberatley running defensively and cutting the line... Something that is very unlikely in qualifying don't you agree?

So anyway you look at that crash it was Nicky at fault... And I'm saying he made a bad call on how fast he could go in those conditions... And a teammate paid the price...

Not to dissimmilar then is it?

 

If Casey Stoner were clinging to a narrow points lead with 2 races to go with Valentino Rossi breathing down his neck, and Nicky Hayden crashed Him out of the race you would have a valid comparison.

I can assure you under those conditions the Aussie's would be quite unendearing toward Nicky.

 

So a lapse of judgement isn't a lapse if it costs championship points? then it's deliberate?

What I'm saying is that both situations was "race incidentents"... Neither was deliberate, and both where caused by a rider making a bad judgement... on one his ability to pass, the other on the level of grip...

That is a valid comparasion... Unless you can prove that Pedrosa's move was deliberate... Then you can compare it as such... I'm not saying it wasn't a bad move... But you guy's keep coming back to a comparasion where it was deliberate...

 

No one in this thread said that Pedrosa's move (on Hayden) was deliberate. It was stupid and unnecessary, but I don't think it was deliberate.
All situations are not the same and some mistakes are more understandable and acceptable than others.
Pedrosa, with his move on Hayden and subsequent crashes in races where he had insurmountable leads, has shown that he has a penchant for stupid mistakes. Rossi crashed out of the same race, but he'll probably win the championship anyway.

 

Post #58...

 

Pedrosa's crash into Hayden was not deliberate. I've seen the replay several times and he clearly hits a bump while heeled over, trail-braking into a corner. The rest is history as they say. However, considering the championship ramifications, He should not have been racing His teammate that hard at that point in the race, at that point in the championship.

If Nicky did the same thing to Casey, it would be a bone-headed move by all accounts.

 

Not quite. That could be taken either way. He nearly fucked Hayden whether it was on purpose or not. Fortunately, everything turned out OK. I don't think Fabrizio tried to take Spies out at Brno on purpose, but it was nearly as stupid as Pedrosa's move, although unlike Dani's move his (Fabrizio's) teammate benefited from his stupidity.

 

I've got nothing against Euro riders in general or Pedrosa in particular. I don't get excited about who is better, best or who sucks. I'm not clear why so many people seem to despise Pedrosa, I just like watching good racing.

That said, this clip, from a Rossi fan, made me laugh.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-iZ7kSImlI

 

Nice bump start Danny!!!

 

Ha! And what's he doin' jumpin' up and down like that? Does he have a little kick starter?

Or is he so little and light he figures he needs to slam his *** down on the seat to move the rear tire?

 

See how fun it is to pick on Dani? Now you know.

 

I used to have to bump start my 700 Nighthawk and my BMW R100RS if I didn't ride them for more than a week. I didn't have a garage then, so I couldn't hook up a charger.

Fortunately I lived at the top of a hill, so I'd start rolling downhill, key on, 2nd gear, pop the clutch and the rear wheel would slide. By jumping down on the seat you weight the rear wheel and get more traction, then it starts. But if the battery was really dead, I'd be at the bottom of the hill (3 blocks) on the Beemer before it would start. I did this at least 100 times.

But I don't think Pedrosa weighs enough to make a difference.

 

chumpster chimp did it again! throws it away leading handily...

love it!

 

Yeah, My wife and I both cheered. It looked like he braked way too late, or was just too hot coming into turn 5...what was he thinking.

And respectable finishes by Nicky, Ben and Colin, in that order.

 

I have to admit I got a warm and fuzzy feeling when pee-wee crashed out of the lead today.

 

I would have rather Pedrosa wouldn't have crashed out and there would have been a good battle between him and Lorenzo. boring race the way it turned out. Qualifying was more interesting.

 

Well... I'm going to stir the hornets nest once more... Just for the fun of it...

Nicky sucks! And it's just been proven according to your own defenitions...

According to all of you, Pedrosa is the reason that Nicky did badly with Honda... Nicky got second rate equipment, and all was built to Pedrosas needs, and then Pedrosa "torpedo'ed" Nicky on track as well... (Something that I view as more of a race incident, but opinions vary...)

And according to all the same people Nicky would then rise to his rightful place once he got good material in a team that actually backed him... The logical question then is why isn't Nicky at the sharp end right now, but instead seems to hower around 5-10 place in most tracks...

He's in Ducati, they have more or less re-built their bike to suit all their other riders, giving Casey Stoner problems since he was the one rider happy with the brutal, un-ridable but extremely fast previous iteration... With Stoner sidelined part of the last season and with severe problems this season, he has all he needs to be Ducati's lead rider... They are certainly backing him enough... Still he's not at the sharp end...

As for Nicky being "unlucky"... Well he has managed to take himself out of contention several times with unforced errors, and to date I can only recall two times when he was caught up in others crashing... One is Phillips Island last year when Lorenzo went stupid... But I'd say the statistics is about 2-1 in Nicky taking himself out vs being taken out so far...

So since you guys in the US seems happy to use Pedrosa as a convinient scape goat, why didn't Nicky win when he crashed out? He should really have... I mean if your argument that Pedrosa is Nicky's cryptonite... Which seems to be the reason that US based people dislike Pedrosa vehemently...

BTW If you haven't figured it out yet, I'm playing Devils advocate here... I have no general dislike for Nicky... I just happen to think he's on a downwards slope from her on out... He's good, but not "A" spec good... Neither is Pedrosa at the moment, but it seems he's actually getting his head right, so I'll reserve judgement on that...

 

Oh... BTW there is one aspect with the USA vs Europe and tracks that hasn't really been mentioned...

In Europe, even though a Spanish rider is at his "home track" in Spain, and so on, it really doesn't matter... The reason is simple... All of the guys that even get close to a MotoGP spec bike has been around all the tracks in Europe several times on several different class bikes before they get to this point in their career... That comes from Europe being one big landmass... You can stick a bike in a van and go visit most of the MotoGP tracks with enough time on the road...

The tracks where you actually have "home track advantage" is the US based and Phillips Island and the Asian tracks... The European riders will not be familiar with the US tracks until they go to the MotoGP class... No other race calendar in their career takes them there... Same for Australia... Same for those in Asia...

So why is it that the US guys gets beaten on their home track all the time?

Again... Take this as a point of discussion... Leave the attitude at the door...

 

I think hayden won a few years back, so I don't know about "all" the time, but there are alot of controlling variables, and relatively few people in the world capable of riding at this level, so even to qualify is amazing. MotoGp and FIM, and even intense, serious sport riders, are more popular in europe than over here.
Personally i don't care if an american ever wins a race anywhere for the rest of time since my self concept isn't based on any kind of superficial national pride. I respect good riding and those that persevere, and fight and ride their hearts out no matter what their national affiliation.

 

Well... nath... Sorry, but I refuse to have a discussion with you... You simply aren't any fun.. You like racing for what it is, and you think to much like me...

I like the racing to be tight, guys fighting for it... So far MotoGP isn't delivering much of that... I prefer WSBK or Moto2...

 

HEY JACKA$$ (linearraynut) how about a SPOILER tag on this thread. You've heard of these? This is some lame stuff. thanks & have a nice day genius.

 

I've been saying to my wife for some time that I think Nicky needs to drop down a notch...like World Superbike.

As for Pedrosa, I just don't like him personally. His personality grates on me. I think Lorenzo deserves the title this year. I'm going riding now.

 

I agree, if he'd drop down to WSBK and get his head straight he could come back to MotoGP and make a fresh start, and might actually be a top contender again...

Agreed Lorenzo deserves the title... I think he will feel cheated though since everybody will say "he wouldn't have if it wheren't for Rossi..." It might have ended up being his title anyways, nobody knows, but it will still be there at the back of his head...

The good thing though, he'll be hungry for it next year...

 

see how ya are. Just wanna agitate. Least ya could do is give us amelicans an argument we could win.

Well OK. At least you could measure your power pure for me. Rot Roh! toooo late.hahaha. Everytime I go by them in the garage i pick the rear and smile--12.5lbs unbelievable! Won't be long i'll be mounting mine up. When you see a lot of smoke rising from the east, you'll know i'm burning out my Q2.

 

lorenzo has been riding great & i think rossi knew he couldn't beat him so he fell off his bike so he'd have an excuse as why he didn't win the championship his last year in motoGP.

tim

 

Well... I really honestly doubt it's Rossi's last year... And it seems like a very painful way of admitting defeat... But oh well...

 

rossi didn't fall off. he was catapulted off, and he didn't win all those championships to spit himself into space w/o a chute. He doesn't need to prove anything to anyone. That said, Lorenzo is hungry and has evolved into a tough competitor and Rossi would have had his hands full no doubt. Would have been fun to watch stoner, pedrosa, jorge and the doc dukin it out.

 

the video of rossi crash was edited... & somebody heard rossi on his chatterbox say F it and then he jumped off.



tim