lighter wheels
09-26-2009 | 06:08 AM
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lighter wheels
ive decided to mod the bike over the winter and i wanna put ona lighter set of wheels. that being said aftermarkrets are worth what the bike is to me so i wont go that route. what im wondering is what stock wheel will fit the bit without having to change anything and will drop some weight?
09-26-2009 | 07:58 AM
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ive decided to mod the bike over the winter and i wanna put ona lighter set of wheels. that being said aftermarkrets are worth what the bike is to me so i wont go that route. what im wondering is what stock wheel will fit the bit without having to change anything and will drop some weight?
09-26-2009 | 09:25 AM
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there are some swaps that work and do lighten things up. And a few pounds in the wheels is much more noticeable than anywhere else, or a few hp.
you'll have to search to find out which, lots of past posts on it - some of the earlier 900RR series wheels I believe. The SH wheels are not particularly light.
you'll have to search to find out which, lots of past posts on it - some of the earlier 900RR series wheels I believe. The SH wheels are not particularly light.
09-26-2009 | 09:29 AM
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09-26-2009 | 09:51 AM
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sorry i worded that wrong, i realise that unsprung weight is probably thr best bang for the buck, improves braking acceleration and corner, but for the money a set of rims are worth im sure i could get the same results with increases everywhere else. speaking of unsprung weight, does it apply to the front sprocket aswell? im sure the few grams or ounces a sprocket can be made lighter woldnt really make that big of a difference
09-26-2009 | 10:02 AM
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Yes however the further from the center of the moment the greater the results.
say if you are doing the flywheel removing a 1/4 inch from the radius will give better results than removing the same ammount of weight from the flat surface
say if you are doing the flywheel removing a 1/4 inch from the radius will give better results than removing the same ammount of weight from the flat surface
09-27-2009 | 11:34 PM
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hmmmm,
wheels, new-$2000
that is expensive, but
high comp pistons-$350/1
head gaskets-$37/1
porting-DIY or pay $$$
Lighten flywheel-DIY or pay $200-300
520 chain conversion- $150-180
Cams- $500-1000
So, after you get done f-ing around with the engine all winter and most of $2000 doing the work yourself, you will have a snappier bike, higher top speed, and your handling will not have changed by much, and your braking will be the same.
Do the wheels and----your bike will accelerate faster, probably won't gain much on the top end, will turn quicker, and slow quicker, and the bike will be lighter. For $2000 you can have your tires mounted and on the bike in a week or two.
I know it is your pick, but think it through.
wheels, new-$2000
that is expensive, but
high comp pistons-$350/1
head gaskets-$37/1
porting-DIY or pay $$$
Lighten flywheel-DIY or pay $200-300
520 chain conversion- $150-180
Cams- $500-1000
So, after you get done f-ing around with the engine all winter and most of $2000 doing the work yourself, you will have a snappier bike, higher top speed, and your handling will not have changed by much, and your braking will be the same.
Do the wheels and----your bike will accelerate faster, probably won't gain much on the top end, will turn quicker, and slow quicker, and the bike will be lighter. For $2000 you can have your tires mounted and on the bike in a week or two.
I know it is your pick, but think it through.
09-28-2009 | 05:48 AM
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there are some swaps that work and do lighten things up. And a few pounds in the wheels is much more noticeable than anywhere else, or a few hp.
you'll have to search to find out which, lots of past posts on it - some of the earlier 900RR series wheels I believe. The SH wheels are not particularly light.
you'll have to search to find out which, lots of past posts on it - some of the earlier 900RR series wheels I believe. The SH wheels are not particularly light.
09-28-2009 | 09:46 AM
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hmmmm,
wheels, new-$2000
that is expensive, but
high comp pistons-$350/1
head gaskets-$37/1
porting-DIY or pay $$$
Lighten flywheel-DIY or pay $200-300
520 chain conversion- $150-180
Cams- $500-1000
So, after you get done f-ing around with the engine all winter and most of $2000 doing the work yourself, you will have a snappier bike, higher top speed, and your handling will not have changed by much, and your braking will be the same.
Do the wheels and----your bike will accelerate faster, probably won't gain much on the top end, will turn quicker, and slow quicker, and the bike will be lighter. For $2000 you can have your tires mounted and on the bike in a week or two.
I know it is your pick, but think it through.
wheels, new-$2000
that is expensive, but
high comp pistons-$350/1
head gaskets-$37/1
porting-DIY or pay $$$
Lighten flywheel-DIY or pay $200-300
520 chain conversion- $150-180
Cams- $500-1000
So, after you get done f-ing around with the engine all winter and most of $2000 doing the work yourself, you will have a snappier bike, higher top speed, and your handling will not have changed by much, and your braking will be the same.
Do the wheels and----your bike will accelerate faster, probably won't gain much on the top end, will turn quicker, and slow quicker, and the bike will be lighter. For $2000 you can have your tires mounted and on the bike in a week or two.
I know it is your pick, but think it through.
09-28-2009 | 12:51 PM
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I've swapped 900RR rear and F3 front to my bike a few times. The ol' "one in the right hand, one in the left" way of measuring says that you can't tell a difference. Unfortunately you have to go the aftermarket route I think. Man would love a set of carbon fiber wheels....
I can say for sure though that the CBR 1000RR wheels I'm running is substantially lighter about a Kg in front and close to 2 Kg in the rear...
But for that you need a special "adapter"... So it's probably cheaper with aftermarket wheels...
09-28-2009 | 01:57 PM
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hmmmm,
wheels, new-$2000
that is expensive, but
high comp pistons-$350/1
head gaskets-$37/1
porting-DIY or pay $$$
Lighten flywheel-DIY or pay $200-300
520 chain conversion- $150-180
Cams- $500-1000
So, after you get done f-ing around with the engine all winter and most of $2000 doing the work yourself, you will have a snappier bike, higher top speed, and your handling will not have changed by much, and your braking will be the same.
Do the wheels and----your bike will accelerate faster, probably won't gain much on the top end, will turn quicker, and slow quicker, and the bike will be lighter. For $2000 you can have your tires mounted and on the bike in a week or two.
I know it is your pick, but think it through.
wheels, new-$2000
that is expensive, but
high comp pistons-$350/1
head gaskets-$37/1
porting-DIY or pay $$$
Lighten flywheel-DIY or pay $200-300
520 chain conversion- $150-180
Cams- $500-1000
So, after you get done f-ing around with the engine all winter and most of $2000 doing the work yourself, you will have a snappier bike, higher top speed, and your handling will not have changed by much, and your braking will be the same.
Do the wheels and----your bike will accelerate faster, probably won't gain much on the top end, will turn quicker, and slow quicker, and the bike will be lighter. For $2000 you can have your tires mounted and on the bike in a week or two.
I know it is your pick, but think it through.
J.
09-28-2009 | 02:37 PM
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thats the thing too, a set of aftermarket wheels are gonna cost me more than the bike is worth to me. id rather re gear do my jet kit filter see if theres anything else i can do cheaply swap out the front suspension as it needs it anyways and do a front brake upgrade and be set and likely be well under the cost of just the wheels.
09-28-2009 | 03:39 PM
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thats the thing too, a set of aftermarket wheels are gonna cost me more than the bike is worth to me. id rather re gear do my jet kit filter see if theres anything else i can do cheaply swap out the front suspension as it needs it anyways and do a front brake upgrade and be set and likely be well under the cost of just the wheels.
09-28-2009 | 06:29 PM
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https://www.superhawkforum.com/forum...ad.php?t=20222
Other than that, search "front end swap" or "fork swap" and you get loads of info...
Have a look at my gallery, just click the image in my sig...
Other than that, search "front end swap" or "fork swap" and you get loads of info...
Have a look at my gallery, just click the image in my sig...
09-30-2009 | 07:32 AM
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Adding HP to your engine is the last mod you want to make AFTER you've dialed in the suspension, brakes AND improved your riding skill. Take the money you'd spend on mods and go to a high perfomance riding school like Keith Code or something. All the go fast goodies in the world don't help if you ride like a tool. You'd be amazed at what the SH can do with 0 mods and a good rider. Case in point, I rountinely make local squids disappear in my rear view when we hit the twisties, even though my Hawk is only slightly moded. They'll be on tricked out R1s and such and I'll still smoke 'em. Also I'm a big proponent of lighter wheels, and no you don't have to compromise strength or spend $3K on Marchesinis. They dramatically improve turn in, acceleration, etc. Check out these forged aluminum wheels for just under $1800. They can be had for $1500 on their Racer Support program(if you can prove you race).
http://forged-wheel.com/
I have a set on my Hayabusa and they are SICK.
http://forged-wheel.com/
I have a set on my Hayabusa and they are SICK.
09-30-2009 | 08:13 AM
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It's true the good stuff is expensive...but there's no need to pay retail for new stuff if you're patient and look around. Yeah $5k BST's will still bring $3500 used on ebay, but around 1k can get you a used set of rc51 marchesinis (that you can always resell later and get your $ back), and I've seen a couple used sets of direct bolt on aftermarket wheels for a superhawk go for between $400-$600 on ebay. Also be creative and remember other Honda wheels fit the superhawk so you can look for used stuff off 900rr's and F3's as well. I've also seen several bikes for sale over the years, including a few racebikes, that look like they drove thru the aftermarket with a magnet on them. If you can buy a bike like that for a good price you can usually take what you want off it and resell it and end up getting all your goodies for cheap.
Last edited by captainchaos; 09-30-2009 at 08:19 AM.
09-30-2009 | 08:18 AM
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While Carrozzeria does not make a set specific to the Hawk, they can be adapted. Call their Sales guy Adam, he can set you up. One compromise you have to make is switching to a Kawasaki bolt pattern for the sprocket. So if you get a set, you'll have to get a rear sprocket too.
