I have a Veypor2 that I switch from my hawk to my gsxr track bike. I'll tell you right off the bat, at an indicated 70 with just a 1 up rear sprocket, I was only going 58! 1 up rear won't throw it off that far, so the factory speedo is way to far off. The top I had my hawk up to was recorded as 152, but I coming up onto a pack of cars. So, from judging by that, I would say it should top off at 160ish.. I have TBR full system, advancer, factory Ti jet kit, BMC filter, degreed cams, and some other minor mods. Even on a strait with my buddie's 04 CRB600RR, which is decked out, I was wasting him until about 115. He is about 135lbs, and also a trackie. The bike is capable, just needs to be pushed with more confidence. AND FIX THE HORRIBLE BRAKES!!! Calipers and Master are very much welcomed, and will reward you greatly.

 

Putting a jet kit and a bmc race filter with full 2bro exhast system helped a ton on my bike. The whole setup kinda uncorked the motor.

 

Don't forget the 04 up R1 . Even on the street it will kill a SH in a 6th gear roll on from 60mph . Hard to compare 108 hp to 168 hp in a lighter chassis .

 

Well, who cares about cranckshaft figures!

No, just joking. Thou GSXR1000 K5 eats every other liter sport for breakfast so far , simple reason - genuine 168 kg with genuine rear-wheel power of 169 bhp (as per dyno)... R1 does not even come close on midrange, that's why I mentioned GSXR - kinda trying to sweeten a pill of Shawk being sluggish buddy

But - roll-on from 60 mhp it's bad pick. 60 to 80 even ZX10 slower than Shawk, believe it or no - thou Shawk well behind in all other spots up to 60 and after 80
I can't understand why exactly 60 to 80 (tried - true, superfast there), but even sportrider.com figures confirming it - they got figure of 2.78 (!!!!!) sec. roll-on 60 to 80. T ogive you idea - R1 '04 is at 2.8, '02 r1 a bit better - 2.79, and only only other bike to be faster is GSXR '04 with 2.64 according to them.


It is not actually so much down to power, it is down to slower rpm pick up.
That most annoying thing for me about Shawk - slow rpm pickup....

I have my payback on sunny days when R1 riders have to stop to prevent their...well....their...you know... :wink: from grilling - those underseat pipes are not best thing in R1. And - on long trips, after which they have to visit orthophedist

 

All that said on track days on a fairly tight track I can still beat those liter I 4 bikes! It all depends on the rider of course but with a rider with similar skills I get passed in the straights and blow by them in the corners. I'm able to get on the gas a lot sooner then the more powerful less linear bikes because they'll lowside. After a sprocket change my buddies gsxr no longer pulls away from me we just swap posistions back and forth. Now that's FUN!!!!

 

I was quoting RWHP

The 04 R1 went 2.75 and trapped 145.3 through the 1/4 .

ZX-12R - 3.17 and trapped 143.7

Hayabusa 2.70 - 143.9

The new R1's are no slouch and not aknowledged as even being a motorcycle by " some " of the geeks that are spellbound by the GSXR . Yamaha does not support an AMA bike but in the WSB , Yamahas do well and will be better in 2006 .

And you forgot something ... the Superhawk does the 60-80 thing in drum roll ..... 5.00 seconds . To add insult to the injury the 2004 Honda 599 went 4.87 .

Something not taken into account is the tall 6th gear on the SH but never mind . Stick it and a 1995 ZX600 in 5th and the Kawasaki walks away still yet .

They are good bikes , fun to ride but they are what they are .... and discontinued to boot .

Maybe Honda will build a V4 sport-bike soon .

 

Regarding the on-going debate about roll-on acceleration, I can quote three figures for the VTR from memory for the infamous 60-80 times:

Sport Rider magazine: 2.78
Cycle World: 3.5 (may have been a 50-70 time, however, would have to check)
Motorcyclist: 5.00

As you can see, there is quite a difference in the stated time for what is supposedly the same bike. So, can anyone with real-world experience shed light on this mystery, especially in terms of how it compares to other bikes?

Finally, I seriously doubt that a 599 would dust the VTR.

 

Now we talking topic I really know!

OK, first of all - I had Hornet 6000 what you call 599 for 4 years. Did loads of miles on it, even before they were on sale in US. And - 2000 version, which is slightly madder than 2004 Hornet.
And - roll on? FORGET about 599 doing it faster. I LOVE Hornet 600 (called 599 in US), but it NEVER can do Shawk on roll on. It can beat it even on 0-60, but not on rollon. I am speaking from own experience and later from riding on Storm with whole Hornet Club of Belgium.
Shawk does 60-80 waty faster than 5 sec. When it will turn warm here (april perhaps) I will borrow accelerometer from one guy here (he times his racing cars with it) and will try. But it isn't 5 sec.

Out of listed mags - sorry, it is just me - but check rest of bikes figures in this mag. See some incnsistency? Yep. It is all top gear roll-ons for different spot on mph, at different heights and conditions. Useless data. I am dissapointed with MO there - no respectable mag ever post numbers with such innacuracy. PB or MO never ever post a figure without explanation.

About BHP figures - I guess we talking highly tuned bikes, or?
RWHP - 04 R1 nowhere near 168 BHP on dyno in stock, even GSXR isn't . Of course it is my opinion, nobody else entitled to agree except all European bike mags saying same. If I will find those dyno scans I had chat on with my Russian friends, who had "dyno day" with bunch of 1000cc sports, Tuono and RC51 SP2 - they even fitted stock cans back to make it fair.
Basically - one mag I do trust with numbers is Performance Bikes - UK one.
Here we go: 04 R1 BWHP: 148,95 at 12700, 69,74 lb-ft at 10200 rpm and 05 practically same.
'05 GSXR is 153,39 at 11300 rpm, 77,79 lb-ft at 8500 rpm.
Which again - proves nothing about "who's faster", just me being pedantic booooring man!

I like all bikes, make does not matter, but in US seems that R1 (and R6) is a big hype since it was released - IMHO yes, back than it was miracle, but it faded long ago. It is kinda back this year big time, but since I don't care about this category bikes....

But - I have no clue why I wasting your time guys typing all this (winter bore?) I mean - I have no point to prove Shawk IS sluggish comparing to those bikes, but if I'd wanted to beat hell out of R1s I'd be racing on GSXR or NSR500 but I do not give a damn - I am sport-touring at small twisty roads mainly...

 

I've done it very unscientifically by counting (one thousand one, one thousand two....) and it's closer to five than it is to 2.78 and I have a 15t!

But as Superhawk22 says, it's being able to USE the power SAFELY and CONSISTENTLY that makes all the difference. Only top shelf riders on top shelf rubber (slicks) can utilize that kind of power.

On another note about bike roll ons in general, I see this over and over again; complaining of having to drop down a gear to pass or to get "into the meat of the powerband". So what's wrong with that? Geez, do you want an automatic? Oh the horror, I had to shift down a gear!