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Old 05-24-2008 | 09:55 PM
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Fuel tank

Just bought a 98 superhawk.Very cool bike! Want to change the fuel tank,does the late model 19 liter tank fit the earlier bikes with the 16 liter tanks? Cheers for any help!! Steve G
Old 05-24-2008 | 10:40 PM
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you and your damn liters. haha. i cant answer your question, but you chose a damn cool bike to buy. my superhawk is my first street bike. other than that, ive been riding dirt bikes my whole life. badass bikes are the superhawks/firestorms.
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Would be cool if someone confirmed it!
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indeed it would
Old 05-25-2008 | 02:35 AM
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All U.S. models have the same size tank... 4.2 gallons
Euro models started out with 3.5 gallon tanks that were bumped up to 4.2 in 2001.
AFAIK all tanks have the same mounting points.

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Old 05-25-2008 | 03:29 AM
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YES, it's a direct bolt on as long as you have the petcock and tubing from the newer model... (Or atleast generic tubing to cut to length) If you are keeping the stock cluster, the fuel tank sensor is a direct swap, the newer does NOT work with the old cluster...
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"All U.S. models have the same size tank... 4.2 gallons"

That's correct. And that IS 16 litres. A litre is 1.05 quarts. (1.05 x 16= 16.8 /4 = 4.2) ALL '98-'00 VTRs had 16 litre (4.2 gal.) fuel tanks. In '01 Europe, Australia etc. got the 19 litre tank, which is actually a few ounces shy of 5 gallons. North Americans (U.S. and Ca.) never got anything but the 16 litre/4.2 gallon tank.

PS... The VTR fuel capacity info posted on Wikipedia is bogus.

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Old 05-25-2008 | 04:03 AM
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I wouldn't have any use for a bigger tank if somebody gave me one. I must have the most incredible VTR ever built 'cause I get 45 mpg on the hywy going 78-80 mph with regular roll-ons to 110-115 mph. If I hold to 65 mph and avoid the roll-ons, I get over 50mpg. I'm always ready to strech my legs, take a leak and have a smoke before that red light starts blinking.
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Originally Posted by RK1
I must have the most incredible VTR ever built
Maybe so. Do you have stock gearing? Have you ever compared your odometer against mileage sign posts on the interstates?
Old 05-25-2008 | 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by RK1
If I hold to 65 mph and avoid the roll-ons, I get over 50mpg.
What RPM are you running at 65mph? My bike is around 4300-4400 at 65mph, speedohealer calibrated by GPS. Down one tooth on front from stock.
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i wish i got that kind of mileage, holy crap.
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Thanks for all the info 'bout fuel tanks.Think the VTR is gonna be an intense relationship!
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Found a 20 liter tank (5.3 gall) www. eti-fuelcel.com/VTR.HTML
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Originally Posted by superbling
Maybe so. Do you have stock gearing? Have you ever compared your odometer against mileage sign posts on the interstates?
When I did the test and posted here with the 50+ mpg, I had stock sprockets. I've since gone to a 43 tooth rear. That lowers final drive about 4.5% I did just under 400 miles last Saturday at way more than 65mph. I got 47mpg by the odometer. After allowing for the lower final drive that's about 44-45 mpg.

I never did any scientifc test of the odometer, but comparing it to what Mapquest says and what my F150 reads, It seemed spot on before I swapped sprockets.

Drew; I changed the sprocket a while ago, but I think with stock sprockets at indicated 65mph it was around 3700 rpm in 6th.
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Originally Posted by steve.g
Found a 20 liter tank (5.3 gall) www.eti-fuelcel.com/VTR.HTML
LOL. If I bought one at least I wouldn't have to pay shipping. They're only 25 miles away. Gotta say tho, $1175's kinda steep.
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LOL. If I bought one at least I wouldn't have to pay shipping. They're only 25 miles away. Gotta say tho, $1175's kinda steep.
kinda steep is an understatement
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Holy **** , i thought that tank must have been gold plated at that price !
Old 05-26-2008 | 12:35 AM
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I was going to say you can buy a lot of gas for $1175, but that isn't so true these days.

Still, $1175 is more than I paid for either of my first two motorcycles.
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Originally Posted by drew_c14
What RPM are you running at 65mph? My bike is around 4300-4400 at 65mph, speedohealer calibrated by GPS. Down one tooth on front from stock.
Found the equation where you plug in tire circumference , reduction ratios, gear ratios etc.

Calculated speed (if it could pull it) for the VTR at redline (9500 rpm) in sixth is 169.3 mph. At 65 mph. that should be 3660 rpm. If all you change is the 16 tooth front to a 15 tooth, you should be turning about 3900 rpm at actual 65 mph. At 4400 rpm you should be going 73 mph.

That's what the math says anyhow.

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Old 05-26-2008 | 07:26 AM
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Yeah and after pending that much you hafta spend more for the locking gas cap option . seems to me that after spending that much they could include the cap.

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Originally Posted by RK1
Found the equation where you plug in tire circumference , reduction ratios, gear ratios etc.

Calculated speed (if it could pull it) for the VTR at redline (9500 rpm) in sixth is 169.3 mph. At 65 mph. that should be 3660 rpm. If all you change is the 16 tooth front to a 15 tooth, you should be turning about 3900 rpm at actual 65 mph. At 4400 rpm you should be going 73 mph.

That's what the math says anyhow.
The math does sound right, but I don't know if it factors in all the variables. Hills, head tail or cross winds, etc. You've got me wondering though, think it's GPS time again.
Old 05-26-2008 | 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by drew_c14
The math does sound right, but I don't know if it factors in all the variables. Hills, head tail or cross winds, etc. You've got me wondering though, think it's GPS time again.

Yeah, Drew. The math i used is dependent on the nominal circumference of a 180/55/17 tire. Some tires are slightly smaller than "nominal", and a tire with a few thousand miles on it for sure is. I don't think that makes a giant difference, but it does make a difference.

I don't have gps and don't know a lot about it. I'm sure gps is accurate on a very straight, very flat road. On a road with curves and elevation changes, I'm not so sure.

If you're going to check your tach/speedo against gps readings, I'd ride a very straight, very level road to assure accuracy.
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Either way, even if I have an error I'm still not getting 50mpg no matter how I ride.
Old 05-26-2008 | 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by drew_c14
Either way, even if I have an error I'm still not getting 50mpg no matter how I ride.
Yeah well, I've proven to myself I can get 50 mpg if I ride like grandpa Simpson, but the way I actually ride I get more like 44-45 mpg on the highway. I'm happy with that. It's better mpg than about any car I could buy. And no car that comes close will accelerate like my VTR.
Old 05-26-2008 | 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by RK1
It's better mpg than about any car I could buy. And no car that comes close will accelerate like my VTR.
Not many gas guzzlers will accelerate as fast either.
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90 miles = 3 gallon for me at normal speeds.

I have gotten 67 miles for 3 gallons a few times at altitude and speed.
I am running RICH and 2 up on the rear.
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You can do the swap, as I have done on my 98 model.

You will need the later model fuel tap, hose from the tank to the tap, and the hoses to the carbs. The later model has the fuel tap mounted to the frame in front of the shock.

The clip ons will still clear the tank, as most of the increased capacity is underneath.

It is a popular swap in Australia, and 19 litre tanks are hard to find because of this.
Old 07-26-2008 | 02:45 AM
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Originally Posted by shayne

It is a popular swap in Australia, and 19 litre tanks are hard to find because of this.
Yeah, and the only way for an American to do the swap is to find, buy and have shipped a tank from someplace like OZ 'cause nothing but the 16 liter tanks were ever shipped to North America. An American could probably have someone in Australia order a new 19 liter tank from a Honda dealer and then ship it here, but I can't imagine being able to pull that off for less than $1,000 or more USD.
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Originally Posted by RK1
Yeah, and the only way for an American to do the swap is to find, buy and have shipped a tank from someplace like OZ 'cause nothing but the 16 liter tanks were ever shipped to North America. An American could probably have someone in Australia order a new 19 liter tank from a Honda dealer and then ship it here, but I can't imagine being able to pull that off for less than $1,000 or more USD.
I know that, but he asked!
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Originally Posted by shayne
I know that, but he asked!
Yeah, Shayne. I know you know. I was expanding on you comments not challenging them. Unless you are a multi-millionaire American who simply must have another 3 litres of fuel for your VTR, don't waste your time thinking about it. After a couple of hours on my bike, I'm always ready for a ****, a smoke, a cup of coffee and a chance to stretch my legs anyhow.

PS... Re; the motogp thread on ozfirestorm...This is one American who was pulling for Stoner at Laguna because;

1) I like Stoner anyhow

2) I like seeing little Ducati beat Yamaha and Honda

3) Any man who can cross the finish line while showing his *** to Rossi is worth cheering for.

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