front radiator mod question
03-27-2013 | 10:36 AM
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04-04-2013 | 07:44 AM
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So hacking the web, found this for sale. This would for sure be plenty of cooling power and may fit easier. Good price too.
04/05 GSXR 600 Radiator
04/05 GSXR 600 Radiator
04-04-2013 | 09:20 AM
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I honestly don't think you can get a tall rad in there, Joe. I tried to fit several at a junkyard but the way the header and front valve cover fit on this bike they push any rad into the area where the front tire hits it.
I don't think a curved rad will solve that because it doesn't fix the height issue?
I don't think a curved rad will solve that because it doesn't fix the height issue?
04-04-2013 | 10:20 AM
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Yeah seven, I've been saying I dont see how anything could fit since my oil cooler barely makes it. Its compounded by where the front tire is able to travel on a bottom out.
I really think honda put side rads as a matter of nececity. Every time I have messed with trying it I give up.
I really think honda put side rads as a matter of nececity. Every time I have messed with trying it I give up.
04-04-2013 | 10:58 AM
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[QUOTE=smokinjoe73;352095]
I really think honda put side rads as a matter of nececity. TE]
I can't think of any other reason, and I'm sure once they decided to not make a front rad, they definitely didn't try to make it so someone else could try to fit one later, so took up all the space they needed up there.
On the plus side, we don't have to disconnect a cooling system to work on the valves/heads!
I really think honda put side rads as a matter of nececity. TE]
I can't think of any other reason, and I'm sure once they decided to not make a front rad, they definitely didn't try to make it so someone else could try to fit one later, so took up all the space they needed up there.
On the plus side, we don't have to disconnect a cooling system to work on the valves/heads!
04-04-2013 | 03:13 PM
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Yeah seven, I've been saying I dont see how anything could fit since my oil cooler barely makes it. Its compounded by where the front tire is able to travel on a bottom out.
I really think honda put side rads as a matter of nececity. Every time I have messed with trying it I give up.
I really think honda put side rads as a matter of nececity. Every time I have messed with trying it I give up.
I think your right, not much room there if your intent is to leave the OEM oil cooler.
As that thing is a pathetic two row excuse for an oil cooler... I just figured replace and move it at the same time as the front rad.
I just finished brazing up fittings for AN line to the engine side of a oil cooler swap Ive been planning...
04-04-2013 | 04:31 PM
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Yeah, the zx-7 cooler (8rows) does really barely fit there. I could relocate it but I would really have to mean it and my bike is my basic transport so dont want to ground it.
Marquez, what are you doing for a radiator?
Sorry did you mention it? Speed triple one?
Marquez, what are you doing for a radiator?
Sorry did you mention it? Speed triple one?
04-04-2013 | 04:47 PM
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It started the desire to make some AN braided SS lines for the stock one, then I realised I had a nice stacked plate oil cooler on the shelf, and it went from there.
As long as I had to make fittings for the OEM engine fittings to AN fittings.. I might as well replace the crappy OEM oil cooler.
I live in Texas and ride in the summer, so cooling the oil is a good idea. Have not decided on a thermostat bypass or not yet though... I don't really ride a lot in cold weather.... and I could just sew up a cover for the cooler to be used in the winter......
04-08-2013 | 08:41 PM
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Cole - I have the red bike in your 1st post.
I can tell you that I continue to struggle with heat issues.
I use this as a full-time track bike. So, I have airflow all the time. I still get the temp needle stuck on high.
When you turn you r steering lock-to-lock, measure the free space you have. Use a piece of cardboard to show yourself a straight surface so you can see the space and the angle you need.
My bike has a SH rad in front with the lower outlet plugged. 1/2 of the OE surface area has been removed, but I get good air flow. All my trackdays last year were 80+ or 90+ degrees. Still gets too hot.
I'll be adding a 5-row oil cooler, but I'm not holding my breath for a big difference.
I also think I am going to find the temp-sensor wires and just bypass it to a switch.
one of the pics in this thread looked like the tire would hit the rad with just a little bump in the road.
another pic showed the lower part of the rad pointing toward the tire...again it would probably hit with just a little bump.
Curved rads might help to keep it in tight down by the tire, but then they get wider out by the forks when you're lock-to-lock.
I can tell you that I continue to struggle with heat issues.
I use this as a full-time track bike. So, I have airflow all the time. I still get the temp needle stuck on high.
When you turn you r steering lock-to-lock, measure the free space you have. Use a piece of cardboard to show yourself a straight surface so you can see the space and the angle you need.
My bike has a SH rad in front with the lower outlet plugged. 1/2 of the OE surface area has been removed, but I get good air flow. All my trackdays last year were 80+ or 90+ degrees. Still gets too hot.
I'll be adding a 5-row oil cooler, but I'm not holding my breath for a big difference.
I also think I am going to find the temp-sensor wires and just bypass it to a switch.
one of the pics in this thread looked like the tire would hit the rad with just a little bump in the road.
another pic showed the lower part of the rad pointing toward the tire...again it would probably hit with just a little bump.
Curved rads might help to keep it in tight down by the tire, but then they get wider out by the forks when you're lock-to-lock.
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04-27-2013 | 12:11 PM
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I ordered radiator off ebay, its coming from china and takes a month. I already recieved new 4-row oil cooler off a trx250, 1750 cfm fan, and hayden adjustable thermostat switch. I also installing a new jardine rt-1 carbon w/ ti. mid pipe off at 2005 zx-10. I cutting y-pipe off and remaking y-pipe to bolt up since I dont know how to bend or weld on ti. I ll post pics after radiator comes in.
06-11-2013 | 10:00 PM
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Here is a sneak preview. It is still a work in progress. Oil line parts should be in tomorrow. I went with a superhawk right side oversized 2 row radiator off ebay for $85. Tire will not hit it at all. It is close but holding front brake and jumping up and down hard enough to get front tire off ground (or at least felt like it) would not touch. I ll post beginning to end photos after all finished.
06-13-2013 | 10:24 PM
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yes, it is a aftermarket racing radiator, way thicker than stock, I ll take a pic of it besides factory for comparison. I tapped into wiring harness under fuse box, I ll take some pictures saturday of wiring. I was able to mount hayden adjustable thermostat switch right beside fuse box, and use factory plug in for new fan. It is all coming together quiet nicely. I have one oil line made. I used AN fittings and stainless steel braided lines, had to order one more fitting to finish other side. SPOOT has me little scared honestly. but with my adjustable switch i can make fan turn on as soon as it cranks. if it runs too hot when finished I ll sell it and start over i guess...
06-24-2013 | 12:03 AM
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pic 3 looks really tight.
if you have a wheel chock to set the bike in...you can use ratchet straps to pull the front end down (compress forks), see what happens when you bottom out the forks.
Watch your clearance....much safer than riding it and testing.
Another thought I had....was to take the rad to a rad shop and have them kind of 'pound' the front/bottom rows back where the tire is most likely to hit the rad. You will loose a couple rows of cooling, but still be ahead of the game with the rest of the new/bigger rad.
??
Keep us posted - you're in uncharted territory and a lot of eyes
edit: I have 2 12v computer fans on my front rad. they are thinner than a standard rad fan and still move a lot of air.
just a thought.
if you have a wheel chock to set the bike in...you can use ratchet straps to pull the front end down (compress forks), see what happens when you bottom out the forks.
Watch your clearance....much safer than riding it and testing.
Another thought I had....was to take the rad to a rad shop and have them kind of 'pound' the front/bottom rows back where the tire is most likely to hit the rad. You will loose a couple rows of cooling, but still be ahead of the game with the rest of the new/bigger rad.
??
Keep us posted - you're in uncharted territory and a lot of eyes
edit: I have 2 12v computer fans on my front rad. they are thinner than a standard rad fan and still move a lot of air.
just a thought.
06-24-2013 | 02:20 AM
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Well, unless you're a flyweight, or have removed the stock forksprings and replaced with solid cores, that WILL hit... Plain and simple...
You have about 40 mm travel when you sit down on the bike, (ideally less, but impossible with stock forks unless modified) And then about the same or more as you ride... And that's NOT more than 120 mm free movement...
You have about 40 mm travel when you sit down on the bike, (ideally less, but impossible with stock forks unless modified) And then about the same or more as you ride... And that's NOT more than 120 mm free movement...
06-24-2013 | 05:36 AM
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Yeah, that is the issue I mentioned trying to shoehorn the 8 row oil cooler in there. I had contact issues on the first many attempts. You would be surprised how much the wheel moves. You are also giving your oil cooler some preheated air to use.
Keep us posted, I do want you to succed, I just think that honda did it on the side for a reason, if I tried again I would keep both sides AND add a small front rad.
Keep us posted, I do want you to succed, I just think that honda did it on the side for a reason, if I tried again I would keep both sides AND add a small front rad.
06-24-2013 | 05:56 AM
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06-24-2013 | 08:28 AM
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I went vertical with my oil cooler.
http://www.photo-spoot.com/misc/bhf6_8_13/IMG_7378.jpg
http://www.photo-spoot.com/misc/bhf6_8_13/IMG_7378.jpg
