Hard to get over the VTR
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Hard to get over the VTR
It's been about 13 months since I got stupid and wrecked my beautiful baby. And I have to say there hasn't been a single day I haven't thought about her. That bike just has it all. Beautiful, monster torque and a thumping heart. I think about what to replace it with and I'm amazed how hard it is.
My wife is permanently terrified. It was bad before my crash. But to get another streetbike now would just be miserable for both of us. but I want one soooo bad. I had my wake up call and got to live through it and recover completely, or enough to call it good anyway. I know better now and wouldn't go there again. You can have great fun and go fast without being stupid. That's what got me as far as I got. She will never understand. Some days I just think F$% it, I'm getting one anyway. Another VTR is all I need for a street bike.
But I have a permission slip for a track bike, and we have 4 tracks within reach for weekend track days. More like 7 or 8 if I extend my radius a little. I could be pretty damned happy with 4-5 track days a year. Heck it might even quell my aching desire for another streetbike. But what to get?
The 600s have plenty of speed and handling, but lack the pull your arms out torque that I love. The literbikes have scary power, lots of torque, but I don't know if I could ever use everything they've got. I guess I could just shortshift it and ride it like a hyper-twin. Or there's the RC51. Big, heavy hippo with that wonderful thump. But going away...
Love Ducatis, but that would be silly...
I don't know. Just had to vent.
My wife is permanently terrified. It was bad before my crash. But to get another streetbike now would just be miserable for both of us. but I want one soooo bad. I had my wake up call and got to live through it and recover completely, or enough to call it good anyway. I know better now and wouldn't go there again. You can have great fun and go fast without being stupid. That's what got me as far as I got. She will never understand. Some days I just think F$% it, I'm getting one anyway. Another VTR is all I need for a street bike.
But I have a permission slip for a track bike, and we have 4 tracks within reach for weekend track days. More like 7 or 8 if I extend my radius a little. I could be pretty damned happy with 4-5 track days a year. Heck it might even quell my aching desire for another streetbike. But what to get?
The 600s have plenty of speed and handling, but lack the pull your arms out torque that I love. The literbikes have scary power, lots of torque, but I don't know if I could ever use everything they've got. I guess I could just shortshift it and ride it like a hyper-twin. Or there's the RC51. Big, heavy hippo with that wonderful thump. But going away...
Love Ducatis, but that would be silly...
I don't know. Just had to vent.
#3
All I can say is when I was laying on my back on the side of the highway with my foot and my leg smashed up (after t-boning an out of control car on the highway and ripping my baby in half) the first thing out of my mouth was "where's my bike?" Of course "dude, your bike is in ten pieces on both sides of the highway-get in the ambulance" wasn't the response I was looking for but a day didn't go by for me either...until I gone another one.
#4
I don't think you can find another group of riders that are as passionate about their bikes as 'Hawk riders. We all know what it is. Some call it raw power, some call it torque - call it what you like - if you're talking to another 'Hawk rider it's just not said because we all know what it is and words do not describe it. Every rider has the opportunity to get stupid and every rider can be fallen by some stupid **** in a car but when a 'Hawk rider goes down we all hurt and feel the loss. I know of no other group that shares this group consciousness. Harley riders would like to think they have it but 'Hawk riders are just polite in their presence. I am reminded of what Lou wrote once, "It's better to live a day as a lion than a lifetime as a mouse." 'Hawk riders live forever, they just move on.
#6
I have to agree with "Nuhawk",i've been through many sportbikes & still have a Hayabusa and a 05' gsx-r 1000 in the garage,and i still find myself riding the Hawk the very most,there's just something about this bike that feels soo right,even when i took my girlfreinds Ducati Monster out to play,don't get me wrong it was a blast, but i just feel write at home with the hawk,This bike just has Soul...... i just can't see myself without it,
so i feel with you guy's.
so i feel with you guy's.
#7
Track use only? Must be a twin? RC51. Or, Duc 996/998. The front end is simply amazing on the 9xx bikes, but the price is hard to justify over the almost-as-good RC51 front end.
If there was any other bike out there to make me forget about my Superhawk, I haven't seen it yet.
If there was any other bike out there to make me forget about my Superhawk, I haven't seen it yet.
#8
Most "track" guys answer that question almost like a reflex: Get a track-prepped SV650. It's got enough power for most tracks, and all the handling you need to embarrass lesser riders on liter bikes. The stock suspension is worse than the stock SuperHawk suspension, but nobody leaves it that way for track use. Also, you can tell your wife that it's safer because it's got a smaller engine.
#9
Jaedcem was right on with the track SV650. I contemplated purchasing one strictly for track use while the S'Hawk would live on the streets. But if I could have only one bike? Definitely the S'Hawk.
The S'Hawk is trackworthy with a little work. As RedHotFireStorm suggested, get another S'Hawk for the track and see how y'all feel about riding on the steet later on.
The S'Hawk is trackworthy with a little work. As RedHotFireStorm suggested, get another S'Hawk for the track and see how y'all feel about riding on the steet later on.
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I've definitely been thinking a lot about an SV650. Having been dusted by more than one, I know about their potential. Still can't figure out why they work so well. It goes to show you don't need a braced swingarm at the sport level.
that would be reasonably inexpensive -at least until I had to start building on it. And a blast to ride. My friend has a stock one with track bodywork. and I happen to know a good builder that would help me out...
that would be reasonably inexpensive -at least until I had to start building on it. And a blast to ride. My friend has a stock one with track bodywork. and I happen to know a good builder that would help me out...
#11
I know the sv's a very popular and good riders can ride them well and blah blah blah....but have you ever ridden one? I rode one of my freinds sv's and I just was NOT impressed by the power. Don't get me wrong I know they're light and agile and you can carry good coner speed but if you thought you got passed in the straights with the hawk multiply that 10 fold on an sv. They're great if you are racing and everyone around you is on one but if you're just doing track days, no thanks.
Personally I would get either an inline 600,(because the highside potential of a 1000), a track superhawk,(because they're cheap), or a track RC,(because you can find them much cheaper than a Duc and kick it's ***).
At least you still have parts of your old bike still doing trackdays though!
Personally I would get either an inline 600,(because the highside potential of a 1000), a track superhawk,(because they're cheap), or a track RC,(because you can find them much cheaper than a Duc and kick it's ***).
At least you still have parts of your old bike still doing trackdays though!
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Good...and bad to see my parts being used!
Cool color isn't it?
I'm not too worried about being too aggressive with the throttle. If anything, I'm too gentle coming out of corners because highsiding would be a lot worse than being faster would be good. You can highside anything if you whack the throttle open. I had a guy on an F4i trying to get me back after I passed him and he littered the track with little broken Honda parts and might have broken hiis wrist. It was and wasn't funny. Know what I mean?
Anyway, you're probably right about the lack of power, but I was amazed at how fast somebody who races one can be, with years of dedication and practice.
I do have a thing for RC51s...
And eating Ducatis is a sport all by itself
I guess I've already been through the VTR track bike drill. Super fun and people are surprised when they're fast. But to get back to where I was with mine would be expensive. There are lots of track-prepped RC51s.
Cool color isn't it?
I'm not too worried about being too aggressive with the throttle. If anything, I'm too gentle coming out of corners because highsiding would be a lot worse than being faster would be good. You can highside anything if you whack the throttle open. I had a guy on an F4i trying to get me back after I passed him and he littered the track with little broken Honda parts and might have broken hiis wrist. It was and wasn't funny. Know what I mean?
Anyway, you're probably right about the lack of power, but I was amazed at how fast somebody who races one can be, with years of dedication and practice.
I do have a thing for RC51s...
And eating Ducatis is a sport all by itself
I guess I've already been through the VTR track bike drill. Super fun and people are surprised when they're fast. But to get back to where I was with mine would be expensive. There are lots of track-prepped RC51s.
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Understandable, and yes it is a nice color, I just might do the whole bike that color W/lower fairing.
This is true I almost did it with a stock hawk engine but it's a LOT easier on an inline 1000.
I know I got passed by one but it was an expert racer that passed me and that guy has ahd alot of time on that bike.
I'm kind of leaning that way myself, I was thinking of I4 600 but I think the transition would set me back a little. I think it just might be easier to stay with the V twin smoothness and I know where I can get one for about $3500.
I do have a thing for RC51s...
And eating Ducatis is a sport all by itself
I guess I've already been through the VTR track bike drill. Super fun and people are surprised when they're fast. But to get back to where I was with mine would be expensive. There are lots of track-prepped RC51s.
And eating Ducatis is a sport all by itself
I guess I've already been through the VTR track bike drill. Super fun and people are surprised when they're fast. But to get back to where I was with mine would be expensive. There are lots of track-prepped RC51s.
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Now, the wheels are starting to turn.
What I'd really like to do is a Stage 2 RC51 engine. That would be something special. A 999 eater... With a 12,000 RPM redline and 140 RWHP. Expensive. But still way cheaper than any cage project, or a new Ducati.
The labor's all love, so I don't have to include that in the cost.
There are lots of tired RC51s that need attention.
My friend Bob has most of the parts I would need.
I have a set of forks.
Hmmmm... I could start losing some sleep over that idea.
Could it be? My next obsession taking form?
What I'd really like to do is a Stage 2 RC51 engine. That would be something special. A 999 eater... With a 12,000 RPM redline and 140 RWHP. Expensive. But still way cheaper than any cage project, or a new Ducati.
The labor's all love, so I don't have to include that in the cost.
There are lots of tired RC51s that need attention.
My friend Bob has most of the parts I would need.
I have a set of forks.
Hmmmm... I could start losing some sleep over that idea.
Could it be? My next obsession taking form?
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Ok. I talked to Bob and got some good advice.
He thinks he has a st of used Carillo rods, so I can lighten the crank and rebalance for faster spin-up. But increasing redline requires a lot of money with cams, HRC wiring harness and ignition. Lots of tuning required.
He recommends staying with stock cams and HC pistons. Good for about 135 RWHP at 10,500 RPM. Super reliable and plenty more than enough for this kid. That's probably 15-18 more than my VTR, with a chassis to match.
Sounds like something I can do without breaking the bank. And what a blast! Then I'll just have to work on lightening the beast up a bit with wheels and some judicious stripping of excess poundage.
I think I could be pretty stoked about a bike like that!
He thinks he has a st of used Carillo rods, so I can lighten the crank and rebalance for faster spin-up. But increasing redline requires a lot of money with cams, HRC wiring harness and ignition. Lots of tuning required.
He recommends staying with stock cams and HC pistons. Good for about 135 RWHP at 10,500 RPM. Super reliable and plenty more than enough for this kid. That's probably 15-18 more than my VTR, with a chassis to match.
Sounds like something I can do without breaking the bank. And what a blast! Then I'll just have to work on lightening the beast up a bit with wheels and some judicious stripping of excess poundage.
I think I could be pretty stoked about a bike like that!
#20
Find a used track RC51. It's much cheaper than trying to convert from street, unless of course the bike already has lots of goodies. A decent exhaust on that bike will run you about a grand. Add shock, fork work, etc and it'll add up quick. Better to find one that someone has already invested the time and $$ into. Heck, you might be able to find a street bike where someone will offer some track plastics along with it. That'd be a sweet deal. Have you checked the RC51 forums?
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Yeah Greg that's what I'm thinking. There are lots of bikes out there where the owner paid retail for the suspension, exhaust, rearsets, bodywork, etc. I want to find a full exhaust system. Hopefully I can find a Moriwaki. The RC51 system isn't titanium like the VTR system was, but it's a very well made system and tuned for a few more HP over the stock system.
I have Racetech springs and tuned cpmpression dampers and almost a complete set of forks and triple clamps. As well as a front wheel, brakes, etc.
I haven't lurked on the RC51 forums for a while.
Realistically I'm looking at Spring '08 before I'm up and running. Still paying off the remodel. But I'm going to start collecting parts.
I have Racetech springs and tuned cpmpression dampers and almost a complete set of forks and triple clamps. As well as a front wheel, brakes, etc.
I haven't lurked on the RC51 forums for a while.
Realistically I'm looking at Spring '08 before I'm up and running. Still paying off the remodel. But I'm going to start collecting parts.
#23
I might be a little late to chime in, but I have considered this problem of what to get next, and it might suit this situation too. I don't think I will ever get rid of my hawk (barring destruction). but it's definitely not gonna be the only bike I'll ever own. and right now the bike that seams to fit my criteria the best for next bike is the 06 triumph daytona 675. its a triple so its still got torque about 51flb and a nice growl. and it makes 123hp at the crank. and its the lightest 600 out there. including the jap 4. anyway, just thought it might be a good fit for what you were looking for.
#24
Another good suggestion but not very cheap yet, wait till some get wadded up first. From what I hear they are very fun on the track and put down some good laptimes too. I even heard they are changing rules to have them race AMA next year.
#28
I've heard that they've been considered for WSB too. the ducs want to go to 1200cc (although they obviously don't need it) and they already race 750's in supersport, so a 675 triple might work.
#30
Like I said before, it's funny how when Triumph makes a bike to race and compete with the big boys it gets creamed. Then they break away make there own mark,(staying with the 3cyl), and NOT for racing and it's the best race bike they've ever made.