Does it bug you
11-05-2011 | 11:45 PM
#1
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Squid
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From: Barrie, On
Does it bug you
I was talking to my bro tonight and of course the conversation ended up revolving around bikes. A question was brought up and I just wanted to see how it effects you.
I had a 2008 Honda VFR 800 and loved that Sport tourer. When I crashed the first thing I did when I got out of the hospital is went looking at bikes (used or else would get eaten alive by insurance) I sat on many bikes but sitting on the Firestorm just felt right to me in so many ways.
My question to you all is does it bother you that our bikes are classified as a liter bike and that the bike is considerably lower in ponies that most 600's out there now a days?
For myself 90% of the time no cause I ride for me but there is that 10% of the time I wish it was more. What about you?
I had a 2008 Honda VFR 800 and loved that Sport tourer. When I crashed the first thing I did when I got out of the hospital is went looking at bikes (used or else would get eaten alive by insurance) I sat on many bikes but sitting on the Firestorm just felt right to me in so many ways.
My question to you all is does it bother you that our bikes are classified as a liter bike and that the bike is considerably lower in ponies that most 600's out there now a days?
For myself 90% of the time no cause I ride for me but there is that 10% of the time I wish it was more. What about you?
11-05-2011 | 11:53 PM
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SuperSport
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 510
From: Edwards AFB, CA
I was there when I first got mine. Big displacment and moderate power. I ride with GSXR600's and one 1k and in the straights they are gone... but thats why I love the VTR, It makes up for it in the corners. Im no Jedi but I can lean and get on the throttle and make it to where all they see is me in thier mirror. Some people crave the max speed and some like the grunt. I loved the speed abut now feeling the bike come alive out of every apex and pull out of pretty much any RPM is intoxicating. I love it, Not having to ride in 10K-14k just to stay in the powerband. I wouldnt tradde it for anything short of a D16RR!
11-06-2011 | 06:37 AM
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From: Gettysburg, Pa
Shouldn't bug you at all. It all comes down to rider talent. A guy could have the latest/greatest bike made and no skills... Rider 80%, bike 20%.
To prove Tweety's point....
Check these out. 2000 cbr vs. 2000 vtr. Same horsepower, look at the torque figures. It's that torque that will squirt you out of corners with more drive than an anemic 4 out of its powerband.
cbr 600 f4i
2000 vtr1000f
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General information
Model: Honda CBR 600 F4
Year: 2000
Category: Sport
Rating: 81.8 out of 100. Show full rating and compare with other bikes
Engine and transmission
Displacement: 599.00 ccm (36.55 cubic inches)
Engine type: In-line four, four-stroke
Power: 110.00 HP (80.3 kW)) @ 12500 RPM
Torque: 68.00 Nm (6.9 kgf-m or 50.2 ft.lbs) @ 10500 RPM
Top speed: 260.0 km/h (161.6 mph)
Cooling system: Liquid
Gearbox: 6-speed
Transmission type,
final drive: Chain
Chassis, suspension, brakes and wheels
Front brakes: Dual disc
Rear brakes: Single disc
Physical measures and capacities
Dry weight: 170.0 kg (374.8 pounds)
Power/weight ratio: 0.6471 HP/kg
Seat height: 810 mm (31.9 inches) If adjustable, lowest setting.
Wheelbase: 1,395 mm (54.9 inches)
Fuel capacity: 18.00 litres (4.76 gallons)
General information
Model: Honda VTR 1000 F Firestorm
Year: 2000
Category: Sport
Rating: 72 out of 100. Show full rating and compare with other bikes
Engine and transmission
Displacement: 996.00 ccm (60.78 cubic inches)
Engine type: V2, four-stroke
Power: 110.00 HP (80.3 kW)) @ 9000 RPM
Torque: 97.00 Nm (9.9 kgf-m or 71.5 ft.lbs) @ 7000 RPM
Top speed: 250.0 km/h (155.3 mph)
Cooling system: Liquid
Gearbox: 6-speed
Transmission type,
final drive: Chain
Chassis, suspension, brakes and wheels
Front brakes: Dual disc
Rear brakes: Single disc
Physical measures and capacities
Dry weight: 192.0 kg (423.3 pounds)
Power/weight ratio: 0.5729 HP/kg
Seat height: 810 mm (31.9 inches) If adjustable, lowest setting.
Wheelbase: 1,430 mm (56.3 inches)
Fuel capacity: 16.00 litres (4.23 gallons)
Other specifications
Starter: Electric
Color options: Red, black, blue, orange
To prove Tweety's point....
Check these out. 2000 cbr vs. 2000 vtr. Same horsepower, look at the torque figures. It's that torque that will squirt you out of corners with more drive than an anemic 4 out of its powerband.
cbr 600 f4i
2000 vtr1000f
[click free]
General information
Model: Honda CBR 600 F4
Year: 2000
Category: Sport
Rating: 81.8 out of 100. Show full rating and compare with other bikes
Engine and transmission
Displacement: 599.00 ccm (36.55 cubic inches)
Engine type: In-line four, four-stroke
Power: 110.00 HP (80.3 kW)) @ 12500 RPM
Torque: 68.00 Nm (6.9 kgf-m or 50.2 ft.lbs) @ 10500 RPM
Top speed: 260.0 km/h (161.6 mph)
Cooling system: Liquid
Gearbox: 6-speed
Transmission type,
final drive: Chain
Chassis, suspension, brakes and wheels
Front brakes: Dual disc
Rear brakes: Single disc
Physical measures and capacities
Dry weight: 170.0 kg (374.8 pounds)
Power/weight ratio: 0.6471 HP/kg
Seat height: 810 mm (31.9 inches) If adjustable, lowest setting.
Wheelbase: 1,395 mm (54.9 inches)
Fuel capacity: 18.00 litres (4.76 gallons)
General information
Model: Honda VTR 1000 F Firestorm
Year: 2000
Category: Sport
Rating: 72 out of 100. Show full rating and compare with other bikes
Engine and transmission
Displacement: 996.00 ccm (60.78 cubic inches)
Engine type: V2, four-stroke
Power: 110.00 HP (80.3 kW)) @ 9000 RPM
Torque: 97.00 Nm (9.9 kgf-m or 71.5 ft.lbs) @ 7000 RPM
Top speed: 250.0 km/h (155.3 mph)
Cooling system: Liquid
Gearbox: 6-speed
Transmission type,
final drive: Chain
Chassis, suspension, brakes and wheels
Front brakes: Dual disc
Rear brakes: Single disc
Physical measures and capacities
Dry weight: 192.0 kg (423.3 pounds)
Power/weight ratio: 0.5729 HP/kg
Seat height: 810 mm (31.9 inches) If adjustable, lowest setting.
Wheelbase: 1,430 mm (56.3 inches)
Fuel capacity: 16.00 litres (4.23 gallons)
Other specifications
Starter: Electric
Color options: Red, black, blue, orange
11-06-2011 | 10:02 AM
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I know wat ya mean but I wldnt say it bothers me. I ecspect the newer bikes to b faster. But in the end I still love my 98. Sure I wish I cld faster don't think anybody dosent, but I can't see getting rid of all the things I do love about the bike for a lil more speed.
11-06-2011 | 11:37 AM
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Superstock
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 288
From: Rosedale Maryland
Well, the 'hawk is what it is. There are faster bikes out there and there are slower bikes out there. The technology on mine is a decade old and I would expect a newer tool to flat out work better. As a related story, I know a guy who bought a ZX-7 Ninja a few years back when it was brand new. He paid an exorbitant price at a dealer because said dealer told him the "manufacturers" had agreed not to make fast bikes anymore. So, he figured there would never be anything faster than his brand spankin' ZX-7. He was not pleased when the next years models were released, to say the least.
11-06-2011 | 11:42 AM
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Doesn't bug me at all. My VTR is already more capable than me - I don't have the skills to take advantage of a faster bike. I also prefer torque to peak hp any day of the week. It's more fun to me to take off right now, rather than wait for the engine to get into the powerband and then go.
11-06-2011 | 11:44 AM
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Posts: 3,451
From: San Clemente, CA
Doesn't bug me at all. My VTR is already more capable than me - I don't have the skills to take advantage of a faster bike. I also prefer torque to peak hp any day of the week. It's more fun to me to take off right now, rather than wait for the engine to get into the powerband and then go.
11-06-2011 | 03:36 PM
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Posts: 1,481
From: Pittsburgh
Doesn't bug me at all. My VTR is already more capable than me - I don't have the skills to take advantage of a faster bike. I also prefer torque to peak hp any day of the week. It's more fun to me to take off right now, rather than wait for the engine to get into the powerband and then go.
11-06-2011 | 04:54 PM
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SuperSport
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 807
From: Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
+3 to Reason, VTRsurfer and Crankenfine
The joy of motorcycling for me is in the corners. I love the way the VTR just hooks up and goes on corner exits. It doesn't matter much if I'm a gear too high or my corner entrance speed is too low or I'm not on the best line. The power is so friendly, accessible and abundant, the bike is still quick. It's a huge benefit when I'm riding a curvy road that I'm not familiar with which is often the case. Sure there are motorcycles that are much faster but on the street a forgiving bike that's easy to ride and which has tons of torque is, for me, the ideal way to go.
The joy of motorcycling for me is in the corners. I love the way the VTR just hooks up and goes on corner exits. It doesn't matter much if I'm a gear too high or my corner entrance speed is too low or I'm not on the best line. The power is so friendly, accessible and abundant, the bike is still quick. It's a huge benefit when I'm riding a curvy road that I'm not familiar with which is often the case. Sure there are motorcycles that are much faster but on the street a forgiving bike that's easy to ride and which has tons of torque is, for me, the ideal way to go.
11-06-2011 | 05:49 PM
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SuperSport
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 684
From: Richmond, VA
doesnt bother me because all it is is a measurement. now if your question was does it bother you that our bike are classified as liter bikes even though they are only 996cc, well thats a different story.
11-06-2011 | 08:13 PM
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From: California Central Coast
No question that this 1997 VTR design is obsolete in 2011.
Any 600 or 1000 sport bike today will out power and out handle it. If you want a powerful V-motor then Ducati is your answer. Be prepared to shell it out.
Yes the Superhawk has a definite retro crowd appeal. Low hp and Carbs? It's archaic. They sound great, ride fine and have enough power to play around. Plus they are cheap. I love mine.
As a rider- you need to decide if you actually can handle more power.
On the group rides, since I got the VTR, the 180hp bikes can't leave me until we hit the straits. Then it's just flat out dangerous over 130 mph. I do have skill though.
So we have to ask ourselves when is there enough power? The streets don't change but bikes get more powerful every year. How much is manageable on the street? The track is different. Every rider has a different answer.
If you look at the statistics, the street is huge mess with high hp sport bikes. Traction control is a must- unless your name is Valentino Rossi.
Any 600 or 1000 sport bike today will out power and out handle it. If you want a powerful V-motor then Ducati is your answer. Be prepared to shell it out.
Yes the Superhawk has a definite retro crowd appeal. Low hp and Carbs? It's archaic. They sound great, ride fine and have enough power to play around. Plus they are cheap. I love mine.
As a rider- you need to decide if you actually can handle more power.
On the group rides, since I got the VTR, the 180hp bikes can't leave me until we hit the straits. Then it's just flat out dangerous over 130 mph. I do have skill though.
So we have to ask ourselves when is there enough power? The streets don't change but bikes get more powerful every year. How much is manageable on the street? The track is different. Every rider has a different answer.
If you look at the statistics, the street is huge mess with high hp sport bikes. Traction control is a must- unless your name is Valentino Rossi.
Last edited by Matt_Hawk; 11-06-2011 at 08:17 PM.
11-06-2011 | 09:32 PM
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Doesn't bother me at all, thats why i am riding other smaller bikes than the VTR and having a blast.
The roads i ride favor bikes that turn and flick really well. cc is not an advantage, torque is....
The roads i ride favor bikes that turn and flick really well. cc is not an advantage, torque is....
Last edited by Thumper; 11-06-2011 at 09:39 PM.
11-06-2011 | 10:02 PM
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Squid
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From: Altoona, PA
Really, what nice about it to me, is that it doesn't have too much power. It seems I can really lay it on and pull it out of a corner quite nicely, without worrying about the bike "kicking out."
Keep in mind, that out on the road, it's not a race anyway. It's plenty fast enough for me, and when you get that racing mentality, that's when you will get into trouble.
Keep in mind, that out on the road, it's not a race anyway. It's plenty fast enough for me, and when you get that racing mentality, that's when you will get into trouble.
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