Dave Moss Suspension class in east coast/mid atlantic - Feeler
02-15-2012 | 07:37 PM
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Dave Moss Suspension class in east coast/mid atlantic - Feeler
Dave is going national this year and I talked with him this past weekend about the classes he offers out west, and he is willing to come out to the east coast/mid atlantic to put one on as long as there is enough interest. I honestly don't have many details but it would be in conjunction with a track day. Involves track side tuning all day, including experiments to be able to feel the difference adjustments make (put the compression all the way in, ride for 2 laps, take it all out, 2 more laps...). Dave would also bring a box of goodies and parts to take apart and learn what exactly happens inside, as well as classroom session throughout the day.
Would anyone be interested?
Would anyone be interested?
02-15-2012 | 08:55 PM
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I would - but depends on the price, track day are alreayd expensive and I will have new tires by then. I'm seriously considering my pro license down here with the local CCS contingent as they are on my butt, I wouldn't be very competitive but would use it for the discounts, the track time, and the camradarie
02-18-2012 | 08:27 AM
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Got a reply from Dave. The class would be somewhere around $200 (not including track fees).
Sounds like a very busy and comprehensive day.
Program:
Riders meeting 8.30 :
- flags and track procedure
Move to classroom
- structure of the class re timing
- booklet completion review
8.50am
fork preload - component review Forks stripped and components in hand
on track: 2 warm up laps and stop every other lap to make 4 suspension adjustments from zero to max (10 laps). Pick and set best setting.
in class: write notes for 5 minutes, then 5-10 minute debrief
Fork compression (same process of component analysis, on track tuning and debrief)
Fork rebound next, then lunch
Afternoon is shock compression and shock rebound, free ride to review total bike and lastly end of day close out meeting.
Feel The Track! Catalyst Reaction Suspension Tuning
Sportbike Suspension School T Hill - YouTube
Sportbike Suspension School Student Phil Price - YouTube
Riders must be close in overall pace/lap times to keep the group laps about the same for timing with on track sessions. There's a full booklet to complete before the event that takes a good hour to review and write down all settings and tools needed.
All bikes must have fork preload, compression and rebound, and shock compression and rebound. Shock preload takes too long.
Riders meeting 8.30 :
- flags and track procedure
Move to classroom
- structure of the class re timing
- booklet completion review
8.50am
fork preload - component review Forks stripped and components in hand
on track: 2 warm up laps and stop every other lap to make 4 suspension adjustments from zero to max (10 laps). Pick and set best setting.
in class: write notes for 5 minutes, then 5-10 minute debrief
Fork compression (same process of component analysis, on track tuning and debrief)
Fork rebound next, then lunch
Afternoon is shock compression and shock rebound, free ride to review total bike and lastly end of day close out meeting.
Feel The Track! Catalyst Reaction Suspension Tuning
Sportbike Suspension School T Hill - YouTube
Sportbike Suspension School Student Phil Price - YouTube
Riders must be close in overall pace/lap times to keep the group laps about the same for timing with on track sessions. There's a full booklet to complete before the event that takes a good hour to review and write down all settings and tools needed.
All bikes must have fork preload, compression and rebound, and shock compression and rebound. Shock preload takes too long.
02-23-2012 | 10:06 AM
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15 years ago when I got started I did so on the premise that suspension tuners were charging way too much for their services. I think this is a clear case here. All of the trackside "tuners" I've seen just fiddle with the external adjustments. While there is some value in doing that it certainly does not justify $200. You aren't really "doing" anything. I guess that I found humor in the statement that the rear shock preload is too difficult so they won't bother. How could you possibly setup a person's bike without setting that? It's one of the first steps. Frankly, it doesn't sound too hard to me.
Trackside tuning is very basic and should warrant a basic pricetag - IMHO.
Trackside tuning is very basic and should warrant a basic pricetag - IMHO.
02-23-2012 | 11:18 AM
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15 years ago when I got started I did so on the premise that suspension tuners were charging way too much for their services. I think this is a clear case here. All of the trackside "tuners" I've seen just fiddle with the external adjustments. While there is some value in doing that it certainly does not justify $200. You aren't really "doing" anything. I guess that I found humor in the statement that the rear shock preload is too difficult so they won't bother. How could you possibly setup a person's bike without setting that? It's one of the first steps. Frankly, it doesn't sound too hard to me.
Trackside tuning is very basic and should warrant a basic pricetag - IMHO.
Trackside tuning is very basic and should warrant a basic pricetag - IMHO.
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