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Who will be the next president?
09-28-2008, 06:37 PM
#211
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i'm voting for ralph nader or no one! there is no democracy when our politicians are responsible only to corporate lobbyists who finance their campaigns and not the voters who believe they are meaningful constituents in a democracy. Obama sounded good when he was debating Edwards and subscribed to ending special interest group influence. However, once he received the nomination, he immediately spent a half hour kissing up to the all-powerful AIPAC lobby organization. That ended my interest in Obama.
09-28-2008, 08:25 PM
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Nobody said a damn thing when Randy was doing his Hillary rants! The forum has changed a bunch and maybe these new guys need a place to hash this out. This forum is home to a lot of active and those who have served in the military. I think most of these guys would stand on the sidelines in this sort of conversation because they have their heads figured out.
Moderator not regulator - it's how our country was born.
Moderator not regulator - it's how our country was born.
Capitalism---The America our forefathers created
Socialism/Marxism---The America Obama wants us to be...
This is a NO-Brain-er folks...
09-28-2008, 08:28 PM
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Since 72 stingray doesn't know what he is talking about, let me set the record straight. There were no terrorists in Iraq after 9/11. Saddam wouldn't tolerate them in his country. We invited them in when we disenfranchised the Iraqis in their own country. Instead they have been training in Pakistan and to a lesser degree, Afghanistan where Obama has said repeatedly that we need to focus on the mission. McCain on the other hand, doesn't even know where these countries are in realtion to each other. And yet, some of you would think him the better choice??? Are you that stupid??? Thats ok..... Obama killed McCain last night according to every poll I have seen. Please vote 3rd party...
Do you actually read the stuff you type, or do you just drool **** like this all the time?
09-28-2008, 08:30 PM
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09-28-2008, 08:47 PM
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Seek for seek-link on your site!
Huh... good site... Where search-page on your site.Can you help me?P.S. Anybody know about XRumer 5.0 software? Need a link to it...
09-28-2008, 10:23 PM
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09-29-2008, 05:09 AM
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Interesting...
09-29-2008, 05:10 AM
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09-29-2008, 07:40 AM
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Somebody here makes sense. Why weren't there options for McKinney, Barr, and Nader on the poll? They are running too. If we all continue to vote for the same democrats and republicans we are the ones tho blame for where we are headed. You want change? don't vote for McCain OR Obama.
09-29-2008, 07:42 AM
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The simple labeling and name calling is counterproductive - if what we have is capitalism why is so much of it being underwritten by govt. funds?
09-29-2008, 09:33 AM
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I "err on the side of life" to give each human a chance to make themselves. What they do with their life is up to them within(or outside
) the boundary of the law. That is the ultimate "Pro-Choice" stance. The choice and ability to fail. There are those who choose the path to success and others who dont. Those that choose higher education and those who dont. Those that apply their talents and those that dont.
Choices have consequences
Rights have responsibilities
Hard work has reward
The only "judgement" passed down is the one that says: "He/She is too untalented, lazy, uneducated, poor, or criminally minded to do for Him/Herself, therefor should be subsidised by the successful ones".
This is not equity. This is not fairness. This is the lowering of standards because those folks "arent good enough". The successfull folks are judged just as everyone else is: By standards.
This is what caused this mess with these defaulting mortgages and the investment instruments that are backed by them. If the Community Reinvestment Act hadnt been changed in 1995 to artificially change to mortgage market dynamic, there wouldnt have been the oppurtunity for "predatory" loans. The federal governement mandated lower standards for loan approval. There was a reason why the standards were there to begin with!
) the boundary of the law. That is the ultimate "Pro-Choice" stance. The choice and ability to fail. There are those who choose the path to success and others who dont. Those that choose higher education and those who dont. Those that apply their talents and those that dont.
Choices have consequences
Rights have responsibilities
Hard work has reward
The only "judgement" passed down is the one that says: "He/She is too untalented, lazy, uneducated, poor, or criminally minded to do for Him/Herself, therefor should be subsidised by the successful ones".
This is not equity. This is not fairness. This is the lowering of standards because those folks "arent good enough". The successfull folks are judged just as everyone else is: By standards.
This is what caused this mess with these defaulting mortgages and the investment instruments that are backed by them. If the Community Reinvestment Act hadnt been changed in 1995 to artificially change to mortgage market dynamic, there wouldnt have been the oppurtunity for "predatory" loans. The federal governement mandated lower standards for loan approval. There was a reason why the standards were there to begin with!
09-29-2008, 09:40 AM
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Cilby:
To your point about Capitalism I would add that Government interference in the from of subsidies, tax breaks, and laws that favor one industry or company , often at the behest of lobbyists, is not pure capitalism. Further the absence of anti trust oversight has created Ologopalistic organizations that are too big to fail and will become too big to bail out unless things change.
To your point about Capitalism I would add that Government interference in the from of subsidies, tax breaks, and laws that favor one industry or company , often at the behest of lobbyists, is not pure capitalism. Further the absence of anti trust oversight has created Ologopalistic organizations that are too big to fail and will become too big to bail out unless things change.
09-29-2008, 09:53 AM
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This is what caused this mess with these defaulting mortgages and the investment instruments that are backed by them. If the Community Reinvestment Act hadnt been changed in 1995 to artificially change to mortgage market dynamic, there wouldnt have been the oppurtunity for "predatory" loans. The federal governement mandated lower standards for loan approval. There was a reason why the standards were there to begin with!
09-29-2008, 02:11 PM
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So who wants to give me their best rendition of cliff notes for the debate?
I got though the first 30 minutes and neither of them had yet to answer a question.
I got though the first 30 minutes and neither of them had yet to answer a question.
09-29-2008, 10:28 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs
YouTube - Shocking Video Unearthed Democrats in their own words Covering up the Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac Scam that caused our Economic Crisis
Republicans TRYING to regulate Fannie and Freddie...and the Democrat response.
YouTube - Shocking Video Unearthed Democrats in their own words Covering up the Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac Scam that caused our Economic Crisis
Republicans TRYING to regulate Fannie and Freddie...and the Democrat response.
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09-30-2008, 06:34 PM
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This is some CREEPY ****!
09-30-2008, 06:55 PM
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Line,,, I am trying to understand what you might by trying to kind of sort of be saying... here goes: ***** and Obama supporters are the same ?? AM I Right ?
09-30-2008, 07:10 PM
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RKI: there are 20 to 30 dollars is papersynthetics / derivatives to each dollar in princaple THAT is the problem and that is what has metlted down.
09-30-2008, 07:30 PM
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I agree, Jim, but the REAL reason THAT is a problem is because it is 20 or 30 to one on top of government backed loans to people who no sane person or institution would lend money to without an expressed or implied government guarantee.
09-30-2008, 08:19 PM
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09-30-2008, 08:20 PM
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Democraps...
Forcing children who are barely self-aware to sing praises of a demagogue. WTF do you think I'm trying to say? The guy is not Jesus, fer Chrissake, but the parental units are forcing them to sing praises that state he will save the world as FACT. He MIGHT be able to do that if elected, but what the ****? CHILDREN? The only place I've ever seen that creepy **** was HITLER-JUGEND. But you're of french extraction, I forgot, you must be really slow. My grandfather is buried in Normandy for their sorry asses...
09-30-2008, 08:53 PM
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10-01-2008, 06:44 AM
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Up until now this has not been personal, it is now. My family has fought in French and Indian War the American revolution the Civil War (FOR THE UNION), WWI, WWII and the Korean war in which three famliy members died! My uncle was in the Marine Corp and his body was never found. I think what you guys said after my post can only be desrcibe as God DAMNED ignorant!
As for Kids by your logic sunday school is brainwashing, WTF! I am really ANGRY at the moment and while I like my Suoperhawk I don't know that I want to be on a forum with so many guys that act like you!!!
PS: RKI I do not mean you the other three.
As for Kids by your logic sunday school is brainwashing, WTF! I am really ANGRY at the moment and while I like my Suoperhawk I don't know that I want to be on a forum with so many guys that act like you!!!
PS: RKI I do not mean you the other three.
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10-01-2008, 06:54 AM
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Forcing children who are barely self-aware to sing praises of a demagogue. CHILDREN? The only place I've ever seen that creepy **** was HITLER-JUGEND. But you're of french extraction, I forgot, you must be really slow. My grandfather is buried in Normandy for their sorry asses...
10-01-2008, 07:01 AM
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Up until now this has not been personal, it is now. My family has fought in French and Indian War the American revolution the Civil War (FOR THE UNION), WWI, WWII and the Korean war in which three famliy members died! My uncle was in the Marine Corp and his body was never found. I think what you guys said after my post can only be desrcibe as God DAMNED ignorant!
As for Kids by your logic sunday school is brainwashing, WTF! I am really ANGRY about at the moment and while I like my Suoperhawk I don't know that I want to be on a forum with so many guys that act like you!!!
PS: RKI I do not mean you the other three.
As for Kids by your logic sunday school is brainwashing, WTF! I am really ANGRY about at the moment and while I like my Suoperhawk I don't know that I want to be on a forum with so many guys that act like you!!!
PS: RKI I do not mean you the other three.
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10-01-2008, 07:03 AM
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Ok, Ok people, let's all take a chill pill for a moment...Things are getting a little out of hand...
None of the name calling, and my daddy did this, or my grandfather did that really matters on here or has anything to do with this discussion.. I know it was to try and prove a point, but again doesn't matter.
Agree to disagree, and go ride...
Another reason why you should not talk Politics, Religion, or what's that other thing? Among friends, co-workers, or anyone else for that matter...
I don't like Obama, I ain't voting for him, end of discussion...Hell, I could end up being wrong, big deal, that's my right as a semi-free American...
I will take care of my own, and the government will continue to rob from me to give to the poor, that's the way it is and nothing is gonna change that...Not even the new Change Master, hell, he'll make it worse...If it ever gets to bad I'll pack up and move to another country...That's my story and I am sticking to it!
None of the name calling, and my daddy did this, or my grandfather did that really matters on here or has anything to do with this discussion.. I know it was to try and prove a point, but again doesn't matter.
Agree to disagree, and go ride...
Another reason why you should not talk Politics, Religion, or what's that other thing? Among friends, co-workers, or anyone else for that matter...
I don't like Obama, I ain't voting for him, end of discussion...Hell, I could end up being wrong, big deal, that's my right as a semi-free American...
I will take care of my own, and the government will continue to rob from me to give to the poor, that's the way it is and nothing is gonna change that...Not even the new Change Master, hell, he'll make it worse...If it ever gets to bad I'll pack up and move to another country...That's my story and I am sticking to it!
10-01-2008, 11:29 AM
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OK, I've been called a racist, and intimated that I am incapable of rational thought and ignorant; but I laughed these off. I don't go to church and have no kids but not because I don't believe in God or am gay, just don't want to be a hypocrite and the chicks have all just fleeced me. Sorry to upset you for responding in kind to the way you described me. BTW, I'm of french extraction, too: 3 French brothers immigrated in 1780 to South Carolina to have a citrus plantation, their names were Ravanne. So I can take it as well as dish it.
But I'll agree to disagree and take a chill pill too and go ride.
But I'll agree to disagree and take a chill pill too and go ride.
10-01-2008, 11:40 AM
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OK you Guys I am over it, hell I am incapable of staying mad, although I get worked up a lot it never lasts long, I like your honesty and I am ok with your views: in the United States should be. JIM
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10-09-2008, 12:15 AM
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http://kfyi.com/pages/money-matters....rticle=4364653
http://kfyi.com/pages/money-matters.html? feed=268721&article=4364653
HUD: FIVE MILLION FRAUD MORTGAGES HELD BY ILLEGAL ALIENS
Assuming an average of $200k each (that's conservative) means fraud loans of at least ONE TRILLION DOLLARS.
"Family values don't stop at the Rio Grande"--- George W. Bush
"Remember, they are God's children." "...the backbone of our economy."--- John McCain
"Si Se Puede." BaraK Hussein Obama
http://kfyi.com/pages/money-matters.html? feed=268721&article=4364653
HUD: FIVE MILLION FRAUD MORTGAGES HELD BY ILLEGAL ALIENS
Assuming an average of $200k each (that's conservative) means fraud loans of at least ONE TRILLION DOLLARS.
"Family values don't stop at the Rio Grande"--- George W. Bush
"Remember, they are God's children." "...the backbone of our economy."--- John McCain
"Si Se Puede." BaraK Hussein Obama
10-09-2008, 03:59 AM
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Viva McCain...........
Ok now I will go and ride.
Ok now I will go and ride.
