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09-21-2008, 08:04 PM
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Whew!!!
09-21-2008, 08:25 PM
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Yeah, I've always liked that one. He said, "If you're not a liberal when you're 25, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative by the time you're 35, you have no brain." I guess I'm heartless....
09-21-2008, 08:45 PM
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Mike Johnson..... Thank you... I read this damn thread everyday in total disgust, but I dont chime in because I am not going to pretend that I am really informed or educated about the things being said about Obama and the dems by our red state brothers out there. I just know I hear a lot of anger in there voices ( I know you cant hear them but it looks like it was typed angry) with the same old "I dont want to loose my guns, F@cking Mexicans, Muslim president, welfare" and whatever other bullshit I read. so its is a breath of fresh air to have a fellow advocate with a little more eloquant verbage and loads more information on the topics at hand.
Oh yeah. As a Southern California gabacho, I've always been extremely impressed by the high level of honor, love and respect with which the new Mexican population treats our African-Americans!
09-21-2008, 09:29 PM
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Hey Vega,
Thanks for the support... I feel like I have been beating my head against a brick wall for the past few days. Let me be the first to say that any discussion involving politics brings out the worst in people. Our nation has become so polarized that we seem to prefer to take cheap shots at each other rather than openly discuss the issues that affect us all. I am no different at times than my conservative brothers when I get my hackles up... I believe we are now at a crossroads in history that is so important that it requires us all to speak out and at least try to open some eyes, except for fools like LineArrayNut, who are probably not capable of rational thought. America can't afford another 4 years of conservative manipulation. They have proven that their way doesn't work any more. Isn't it enough to know that most of the leaders in the Republican Congress have left in disgrace or handcuffs over the past couple of years. I can't say the Democrats are that much better, in fact I loathe Reed and Pelosi for not taking Bush to the impeachment table long ago. However, at the end of the day, if even LineArrayNuts house was on fire, I would still grab a bucket and a hose and try to help put the fire out. If I found RK1 laying on the side of the road with a wadded up Hawk laying on top of him, I'd still give CPR to save his life. We can all sit down together and slap back a cool one and talk about the things that affect us all and go home knowing we are all still Americans regardless of the things that divide us politically. I'd like to think our red brothers would feel the same... I'm not too sure about Ducati riders though... ;-)
Thanks for the support... I feel like I have been beating my head against a brick wall for the past few days. Let me be the first to say that any discussion involving politics brings out the worst in people. Our nation has become so polarized that we seem to prefer to take cheap shots at each other rather than openly discuss the issues that affect us all. I am no different at times than my conservative brothers when I get my hackles up... I believe we are now at a crossroads in history that is so important that it requires us all to speak out and at least try to open some eyes, except for fools like LineArrayNut, who are probably not capable of rational thought. America can't afford another 4 years of conservative manipulation. They have proven that their way doesn't work any more. Isn't it enough to know that most of the leaders in the Republican Congress have left in disgrace or handcuffs over the past couple of years. I can't say the Democrats are that much better, in fact I loathe Reed and Pelosi for not taking Bush to the impeachment table long ago. However, at the end of the day, if even LineArrayNuts house was on fire, I would still grab a bucket and a hose and try to help put the fire out. If I found RK1 laying on the side of the road with a wadded up Hawk laying on top of him, I'd still give CPR to save his life. We can all sit down together and slap back a cool one and talk about the things that affect us all and go home knowing we are all still Americans regardless of the things that divide us politically. I'd like to think our red brothers would feel the same... I'm not too sure about Ducati riders though... ;-)
09-22-2008, 02:18 AM
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Hey Vega,
Thanks for the support... I feel like I have been beating my head against a brick wall for the past few days. Let me be the first to say that any discussion involving politics brings out the worst in people. Our nation has become so polarized that we seem to prefer to take cheap shots at each other rather than openly discuss the issues that affect us all. I am no different at times than my conservative brothers when I get my hackles up... I believe we are now at a crossroads in history that is so important that it requires us all to speak out and at least try to open some eyes, except for fools like LineArrayNut, who are probably not capable of rational thought. America can't afford another 4 years of conservative manipulation. They have proven that their way doesn't work any more. Isn't it enough to know that most of the leaders in the Republican Congress have left in disgrace or handcuffs over the past couple of years. I can't say the Democrats are that much better, in fact I loathe Reed and Pelosi for not taking Bush to the impeachment table long ago. However, at the end of the day, if even LineArrayNuts house was on fire, I would still grab a bucket and a hose and try to help put the fire out. If I found RK1 laying on the side of the road with a wadded up Hawk laying on top of him, I'd still give CPR to save his life. We can all sit down together and slap back a cool one and talk about the things that affect us all and go home knowing we are all still Americans regardless of the things that divide us politically. I'd like to think our red brothers would feel the same... I'm not too sure about Ducati riders though... ;-)
Thanks for the support... I feel like I have been beating my head against a brick wall for the past few days. Let me be the first to say that any discussion involving politics brings out the worst in people. Our nation has become so polarized that we seem to prefer to take cheap shots at each other rather than openly discuss the issues that affect us all. I am no different at times than my conservative brothers when I get my hackles up... I believe we are now at a crossroads in history that is so important that it requires us all to speak out and at least try to open some eyes, except for fools like LineArrayNut, who are probably not capable of rational thought. America can't afford another 4 years of conservative manipulation. They have proven that their way doesn't work any more. Isn't it enough to know that most of the leaders in the Republican Congress have left in disgrace or handcuffs over the past couple of years. I can't say the Democrats are that much better, in fact I loathe Reed and Pelosi for not taking Bush to the impeachment table long ago. However, at the end of the day, if even LineArrayNuts house was on fire, I would still grab a bucket and a hose and try to help put the fire out. If I found RK1 laying on the side of the road with a wadded up Hawk laying on top of him, I'd still give CPR to save his life. We can all sit down together and slap back a cool one and talk about the things that affect us all and go home knowing we are all still Americans regardless of the things that divide us politically. I'd like to think our red brothers would feel the same... I'm not too sure about Ducati riders though... ;-)
Our government is out of control, and if Obama and McCain are the answers....holy ****. But I hear Marxist terms like "workers" being thrown around and I just scream to myself "EMPLOYEES!!!". Maybe I'm just ignorant.....
But, yes, we are all brothers and we are all Americans (legal ones at least), and we're all in this together.
FIGHT THE NEW WORLD ORDER!!!!
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09-22-2008, 03:51 AM
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Both Obama and McCain fail the first test for a future president... They volunteered...
Oh... and not to inflame the debate further... but in any fight there is two guilty party... there has never been any fight/war whatever with one guilty part and one pure... Newer has, never will...
My point... YES... USA has been in the wrong side on more than one occasion, they have commited several warcrimes and broken numerous international laws... the only reason that the US keeps doing it and getting away with it is that the fact that Uncle Sam is the school yard bully... Twice the size and with a baseball bat as the eqvivalent for the nukes...
The loud mouth is wrong on a numerous points... But he did get atleast one right... "Americas pigeons is coming home to roost"...
Now don't misunderstand... I DON'T think ANY act of terrorism is right... NEVER, EVER... But the american people keep making a big deal of 9/11, and if you look at it in a global historical perspective it wasn't that big of a deal... There have been several other large terrorist attacks, with lots of casualities... Some have started wars, some not... The only difference is that this time it was the almighty US that was the target... And it had lot and lots of airtime... Far more airtime than it would have gotten had it been any other "less significant country"... I have seen US news reports on the outside world... And international news in the US tends to have the same amount of coverage as most other contries spend on novelty items as two headed calfs... It's obvious that any country will spend more time on national news... But the only other contries with this imbalance are usually dictatorships...
You don't need to be "globalised"... But you do need to realise that the US is one amongst equals... Not the ruler of the world...
So the response to the 9/11 is that the US goes out and fight's a "Wholy War" on terrorists... making selected picks on whom to fight, when and where and screaming the loudest about being right, justified and the champion of all good... While in fact it the same kind of war as every other war... With equal guilt on both sides once the whole thing is over...
Going to war is one thing... It's bad enough... But the US newer was, never will be the pure champion of all good, and never was given any mandate to act as "world police" which is one of it's favourite past times...
You guy's got enough problems at home with your economy, segregation, racism, and overall imbalanced government... So you would probably be better of sweeping your own porch before going around fixing other peoples problems...
This would also keep you from making new enemies that retaliates... And I do mean retaliate... look at it historicly... when did ever any country that spawns terrorist attack or threaten US mainland??? Can't find any? gee...
But have the US possibly been playing in other peoples sandbox?
Oh... and not to inflame the debate further... but in any fight there is two guilty party... there has never been any fight/war whatever with one guilty part and one pure... Newer has, never will...
My point... YES... USA has been in the wrong side on more than one occasion, they have commited several warcrimes and broken numerous international laws... the only reason that the US keeps doing it and getting away with it is that the fact that Uncle Sam is the school yard bully... Twice the size and with a baseball bat as the eqvivalent for the nukes...
The loud mouth is wrong on a numerous points... But he did get atleast one right... "Americas pigeons is coming home to roost"...
Now don't misunderstand... I DON'T think ANY act of terrorism is right... NEVER, EVER... But the american people keep making a big deal of 9/11, and if you look at it in a global historical perspective it wasn't that big of a deal... There have been several other large terrorist attacks, with lots of casualities... Some have started wars, some not... The only difference is that this time it was the almighty US that was the target... And it had lot and lots of airtime... Far more airtime than it would have gotten had it been any other "less significant country"... I have seen US news reports on the outside world... And international news in the US tends to have the same amount of coverage as most other contries spend on novelty items as two headed calfs... It's obvious that any country will spend more time on national news... But the only other contries with this imbalance are usually dictatorships...
You don't need to be "globalised"... But you do need to realise that the US is one amongst equals... Not the ruler of the world...
So the response to the 9/11 is that the US goes out and fight's a "Wholy War" on terrorists... making selected picks on whom to fight, when and where and screaming the loudest about being right, justified and the champion of all good... While in fact it the same kind of war as every other war... With equal guilt on both sides once the whole thing is over...
Going to war is one thing... It's bad enough... But the US newer was, never will be the pure champion of all good, and never was given any mandate to act as "world police" which is one of it's favourite past times...
You guy's got enough problems at home with your economy, segregation, racism, and overall imbalanced government... So you would probably be better of sweeping your own porch before going around fixing other peoples problems...
This would also keep you from making new enemies that retaliates... And I do mean retaliate... look at it historicly... when did ever any country that spawns terrorist attack or threaten US mainland??? Can't find any? gee...
But have the US possibly been playing in other peoples sandbox?
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09-22-2008, 04:38 AM
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09-22-2008, 04:42 AM
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Hey, knock it off! I contribute a good deal to the Swedish economy!
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I am no different at times than my conservative brothers when I get my hackles up... I believe we are now at a crossroads in history that is so important that it requires us all to speak out and at least try to open some eyes, except for fools like LineArrayNut, who are probably not capable of rational thought. However, at the end of the day, if even LineArrayNuts house was on fire, I would still grab a bucket and a hose and try to help put the fire out.
Really!
Yay!
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09-22-2008, 05:41 AM
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09-22-2008, 09:41 AM
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Hey now, no personal attacks!
Disagreeing is fine, but personal attacks are not.
Disagreeing is fine, but personal attacks are not.
09-22-2008, 10:30 AM
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In 1940 Germany invaded Denmark and Norway. Were Danes and Norwegian equally responsible? I don't see how.
Sweden avoided the same fate by granting transit rights for troops and iron ore to Germany. If Swedes had refused the extortion, would they have been equally responsible for the invasion which surely would have followed? BS.
09-22-2008, 10:54 AM
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Tweety;
I would prefer that the U.S. government stop wasting American wealth, blood, sweat and tears trying to save the world from itself, but that doesn't mean I think it always turns out bad or wrong for the areas where it has been done.
I know it is quite fashionable for Western Europeans to condemn America for being the "policeman" for the past fifty or sixty years. People in places like Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Poland, Czech Republic, Hungary, Romania etc. may beg to differ.
I would prefer that the U.S. government stop wasting American wealth, blood, sweat and tears trying to save the world from itself, but that doesn't mean I think it always turns out bad or wrong for the areas where it has been done.
I know it is quite fashionable for Western Europeans to condemn America for being the "policeman" for the past fifty or sixty years. People in places like Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Poland, Czech Republic, Hungary, Romania etc. may beg to differ.
09-22-2008, 11:37 AM
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You can argue individual cases, but as a blanket statement this is BS.
In 1940 Germany invaded Denmark and Norway. Were Danes and Norwegian equally responsible? I don't see how.
Sweden avoided the same fate by granting transit rights for troops and iron ore to Germany. If Swedes had refused the extortion, would they have been equally responsible for the invasion which surely would have followed? BS.
In 1940 Germany invaded Denmark and Norway. Were Danes and Norwegian equally responsible? I don't see how.
Sweden avoided the same fate by granting transit rights for troops and iron ore to Germany. If Swedes had refused the extortion, would they have been equally responsible for the invasion which surely would have followed? BS.
Tweety;
I would prefer that the U.S. government stop wasting American wealth, blood, sweat and tears trying to save the world from itself, but that doesn't mean I think it always turns out bad or wrong for the areas where it has been done.
I know it is quite fashionable for Western Europeans to condemn America for being the "policeman" for the past fifty or sixty years. People in places like Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Poland, Czech Republic, Hungary, Romania etc. may beg to differ.
I would prefer that the U.S. government stop wasting American wealth, blood, sweat and tears trying to save the world from itself, but that doesn't mean I think it always turns out bad or wrong for the areas where it has been done.
I know it is quite fashionable for Western Europeans to condemn America for being the "policeman" for the past fifty or sixty years. People in places like Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Poland, Czech Republic, Hungary, Romania etc. may beg to differ.
Weather it's fashionable or not isn't the point... The main gripe I have with the US as "world police" is that it's self proclaimed and more than once in history it has been used as much in self interest (oil, political agendas) as in defence of an opressed people or to defend against an invader... this without any sanction whatsoever from anyone else...
A joint force to keep peace would easily do the same work as the US tends to do on it's own initiative... A force the US could be a part of...
A 5 year old could figure out that the reasons that the US gov. shouted the loudest about in the press during the "War on terrorism" wasn't the main one's or atleast not the full truth... The hipocrisy (spelling?) is a main part of the reason I dislike it...
The US want's to fight a war on the group of people that attacked them... Well, fine... But atleast be honest about it... Don't try to make it out like you are the knight in shining armour rescuing the world... And the other angle, of the poor wounded US that has been attacked and has the right to defend at all cost doesn't fly either... Yes, there was an attack... Yes, it was a cowardly one... And Yes, people where hurt...
But it's still like Mike Tyson crying a crocodile tear before beating up on a small child... It's not even close to a fair fight, and everybody knows it...
09-22-2008, 11:42 AM
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Oh... BTW you probably missed my statement lower in the text about the blame being equal in the end once the war was over... I have seen the historical documentation of what happened to **** officers that trusted to much in the passivity of the Danes... Not pretty...
Now I'm not saying that it wasn't justified, they where defending their country... But they where no angels either...
And there is a big difference in defending your country from invasion and defending it by attacking, which is the US modus operandi...
Oh BTW this is criticism of US foreign policies, not the man and women serving... I have done my turn, UN sanctioned peace keeping mission... I have been fired upon and I have returned fire... And that's about all the information I'll discuss about that...
Now I'm not saying that it wasn't justified, they where defending their country... But they where no angels either...
And there is a big difference in defending your country from invasion and defending it by attacking, which is the US modus operandi...
Oh BTW this is criticism of US foreign policies, not the man and women serving... I have done my turn, UN sanctioned peace keeping mission... I have been fired upon and I have returned fire... And that's about all the information I'll discuss about that...
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09-22-2008, 01:36 PM
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Given what is happening in Washington (the new financial capital under Commissar Paulson) I hope our guns are safe comrades. We are now socializing the entire financial system.
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Izan, it really is and it makes so many of the other issues being hotly debated seem trivial IMO.
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http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=aSKSoiNbnQY0
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How the Democrats created the financial crisis.
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How the Democrats created the financial crisis.
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Oh... BTW you probably missed my statement lower in the text about the blame being equal in the end once the war was over... I have seen the historical documentation of what happened to **** officers that trusted to much in the passivity of the Danes... Not pretty...
Now I'm not saying that it wasn't justified, they where defending their country... But they where no angels either...
Now I'm not saying that it wasn't justified, they where defending their country... But they where no angels either...
You've raised many points here, I'll comment on this one. I haven't studied details of the end of war in Denmark, and I don't know what angels have to do with it, but I'll guess about it this way.
If I was a Dane who survived the occupation, German officers who treated Danes with as much respect and decency as they could get away with would have nothing to fear from me.
Those German officers who brutalized or murdered Danes? I would probably kill them if I could.
09-22-2008, 04:12 PM
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Tweety;
You've raised many points here, I'll comment on this one. I haven't studied details of the end of war in Denmark, and I don't know what angels have to do with it, but I'll guess about it this way.
If I was a Dane who survived the occupation, German officers who treated Danes with as much respect and decency as they could get away with would have nothing to fear from me.
Those German officers who brutalized or murdered Danes? I would probably kill them if I could.
You've raised many points here, I'll comment on this one. I haven't studied details of the end of war in Denmark, and I don't know what angels have to do with it, but I'll guess about it this way.
If I was a Dane who survived the occupation, German officers who treated Danes with as much respect and decency as they could get away with would have nothing to fear from me.
Those German officers who brutalized or murdered Danes? I would probably kill them if I could.
Altough one of the more notable events really did chill my blood... a group of school kids planted explosives close to a troop barrack, holding close to 100 german soldiers... Most died... no tall tale either, I talked to one of the kids, now someones old and wrinkled grandmother... She remebered the events with great detail...
Bombs done make moral judgement calls... They kill indiscriminately...
09-22-2008, 05:24 PM
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RK1 ...Democrats? Are you familiar with the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act if you are how in the world can you infer that the democrats caused the problem? I am an independent and yes there is a lot of blame to go around but for crying out loud it rests much more with the Republicans. If you cannot see or admit this I do not think you are being objective at all. JIM
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RK1 ...Democrats? Are you familiar with the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act if you are how in the world can you infer that the democrats caused the problem? I am an independent and yes there is a lot of blame to go around but for crying out loud it rests much more with the Republicans. If you cannot see or admit this I do not think you are being objective at all. JIM
All I know about that bill is that it allowed banks to gobble up other banks, which I think a shitty idea and I would have voted against it.
But I also know it passed both houses with huge majorities of Dems voting for it and Bill Clinton signed it. Of course most Repubs voted for it as well.
I don't know how much that act has to do with the present crisis. Maybe a lot, but I think the housing bubble, fueled by sub prime loans, backed by Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae is more of it.
Goes back many years. Politicians, mostly Dems, I'm sorry but mostly Dems-
Accusing banks of "redlining", denying home loans to "working poor", "minoritites" etc. threatening investigations, sanctions etc. Freddie and Fannie were used as backup to get the banks to write no money down, no closing cost, adjustable teaser rate loans to people who essentially-- couldn't afford to buy or own a house.
I blame the Dems for cooking up this hair brained **** and the Republicans for going along with it, esp. Bush, a so-called "conservative" who did nothing to stop it, who for 7 years has been signing bills and spending money like LBJ on a crack binge.
Bush will go down in history as the worst president of the modern era, but he didn't create this crisis, he just stood around with his thumb up his *** and watched it happen.
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RK1 - RE S.190 refered to in your link -I don't think McCain was grandstanding on this bill, I think he was doing the bidding of Wall Street lobbyists. It was a bill that would have, in essence, privatized regulatory agencies, and exempted more than one sector of the financial industry from accountability; the author is really stretching his credibility here. Also the article refers to FranRon (my name for the two
Baillie’s) money going to Dems ($125K to Obama - not that much) I am sure you know that Republicans received far more money from them. Lastly it is odd that Greenspan was quoted as he was in that he is now seen as the one of the primary causes of the current melt down buy virtue of encouraging it and keeping interest rates too low for too long. JIM
Baillie’s) money going to Dems ($125K to Obama - not that much) I am sure you know that Republicans received far more money from them. Lastly it is odd that Greenspan was quoted as he was in that he is now seen as the one of the primary causes of the current melt down buy virtue of encouraging it and keeping interest rates too low for too long. JIM
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Jim;
I've never liked or trusted Greenspan (Bill Clinton did- he re appointed him twice) and I'm not voting for McCain.
There is a pile of things I detest about the GOP, esp. since Bush took it over.
But about 90% of the Dem party handbook is class envy, redistribution of wealth, taxing the **** out of people who work hard to make good money and flushing that money down the "social program" toilet. Obama wouldn't change any of that. I've got no reason to vote for him.
I'm voting third party as a protest. I wish millions more people would do the same.
I've never liked or trusted Greenspan (Bill Clinton did- he re appointed him twice) and I'm not voting for McCain.
There is a pile of things I detest about the GOP, esp. since Bush took it over.
But about 90% of the Dem party handbook is class envy, redistribution of wealth, taxing the **** out of people who work hard to make good money and flushing that money down the "social program" toilet. Obama wouldn't change any of that. I've got no reason to vote for him.
I'm voting third party as a protest. I wish millions more people would do the same.
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RK1- I hear you Man, sadly the $700,000,000,000.00 bail out is going to transfer wealth big time; if we were not broke before we are now. A lot of *** holes (strong words from me but warrented) made off with a lot of money and we are left to pay the tab, Unbelievable!! This should be revolting to any Republican worth his salt and the rest of us to! JIM
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RK1- I hear you Man, sadly the $700,000,000,000.00 bail out is going to transfer wealth big time; if we were not broke before we are now. A lot of *** holes (strong words from me but warrented) made off with a lot of money and we are left to pay the tab, Unbelievable!! This should be revolting to any Republican worth his salt and the rest of us to! JIM
Yeah. We've had "leaders" from both parties who want to save the world, subsidize half the population of Mexico and much of the third world, cure aids in Africa, backstop mortgages for people who don't have any money, make us all stop smoking, lower our colesterol and recycle our beer bottles. As if all this money came from Santa Claus instead of people who have to earn it.
Taxes at every level are the highest they've ever been, yet the "published" debt is about to break 11 trillion (that's nearly $40k for every living American) and unfunded liabilities are over 50 trillion. It's insane. I think we're in for a rough ride.
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I of course have to take issue with one thing because I agree with the rest of what you say; taxes on the rich are lower now than before GW lowered them and at a hell of alot lower than at one point in our history when the extreme rich paid 90%.
Last edited by Jim TT; 09-22-2008 at 07:05 PM.
09-22-2008, 07:03 PM
#149
BANNED IN D.C.
SuperSport
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Location: Athens, GA
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Yeah. We've have "leaders" from both parties who want to save the world, subsidize half the population of Mexico and much of the third world, cure aids in Africa, backstop mortgages for people who don't have any money, make us all stop smoking, lower our colesterol and recycle our beer bottles. As if all this money came from Santa Claus instead of people who have to earn it.
Taxes at every level are the highest they've ever been, yet the "published" debt is about to break 11 trillion (that's nearly $40k for every living American) and unfunded liabilities are over 50 trillion. It's insane. I think we're in for a rough ride.
Taxes at every level are the highest they've ever been, yet the "published" debt is about to break 11 trillion (that's nearly $40k for every living American) and unfunded liabilities are over 50 trillion. It's insane. I think we're in for a rough ride.
09-22-2008, 07:15 PM
#150
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MotoGP
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Way Out West
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