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10-31-2008, 08:01 PM
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jim;
Are you in Chicago proper or the suburbs? Chicago banned handguns in 1982. The only exception (besides Aldermen, who also reserved for themselves the right to carry concealed) is for handguns legally owned and registered with the city prior to 1982.
Are you in Chicago proper or the suburbs? Chicago banned handguns in 1982. The only exception (besides Aldermen, who also reserved for themselves the right to carry concealed) is for handguns legally owned and registered with the city prior to 1982.
10-31-2008, 08:12 PM
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Chicago has it's history. After the feds busted them up in Chicago they moved to Minneapolis - my back yard.
I think the dynamic that has to be understood is that in both cases vast amounts of money, wealth and influence were put into play in our local societies regardless of who eventually went to jail or not.
The Daly's were notorious in Chicago. By the time they got to Minneapolis they had learned that lesson.
The point is this big money that's been washing around in our communities has created an artificial electorate. The rumors of Chicago voting entire cemetaries is a joke - even for the sixties but it's only mostly a joke not that it didn't happen at all.
I like a saying that a friend of mine has. "In acedemics, local and state government - the less there is to gain the more ferocious the fight."
So the country is about to elect a professor. A college teacher - a good speaker but gifted - not!
This guy shook the right hands in Chicago to gain a voice in an acedemic circle first. His associations since are highly suspect. Just sorting this out to "history" is like dissing Hitler.
Today's news was especially troubling to me. Obama advisers are pushing to downsize the "change" agenda due to current economic conditions. There was also another senior party adviser (3rd one) to say maybe the tax threshold really isn't 250k but 125K.
This what is really scarey for me. This guy educates a majority of Americans over a number of months only to renig on his promises and lead us into the greatest depression since the last one. And it may be only my opinion but he has the potential to damage the equal rights progress that this country has made to take us back to the 60's.
Besides the fact that I think he's a clueless soldier in a very dangerous time for America. If he thinks he can script the war in Iraq from Hollywood I don't want to see my guys treated like extras.
I think the dynamic that has to be understood is that in both cases vast amounts of money, wealth and influence were put into play in our local societies regardless of who eventually went to jail or not.
The Daly's were notorious in Chicago. By the time they got to Minneapolis they had learned that lesson.
The point is this big money that's been washing around in our communities has created an artificial electorate. The rumors of Chicago voting entire cemetaries is a joke - even for the sixties but it's only mostly a joke not that it didn't happen at all.
I like a saying that a friend of mine has. "In acedemics, local and state government - the less there is to gain the more ferocious the fight."
So the country is about to elect a professor. A college teacher - a good speaker but gifted - not!
This guy shook the right hands in Chicago to gain a voice in an acedemic circle first. His associations since are highly suspect. Just sorting this out to "history" is like dissing Hitler.
Today's news was especially troubling to me. Obama advisers are pushing to downsize the "change" agenda due to current economic conditions. There was also another senior party adviser (3rd one) to say maybe the tax threshold really isn't 250k but 125K.
This what is really scarey for me. This guy educates a majority of Americans over a number of months only to renig on his promises and lead us into the greatest depression since the last one. And it may be only my opinion but he has the potential to damage the equal rights progress that this country has made to take us back to the 60's.
Besides the fact that I think he's a clueless soldier in a very dangerous time for America. If he thinks he can script the war in Iraq from Hollywood I don't want to see my guys treated like extras.
10-31-2008, 09:10 PM
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when i started riding, helmets were for sissy's and if you didn't periodically end up sliding down the road, you weren't really riding. My helmet/leathers were only used as required for road races, dirt/hard surface drags, however, most of my racing was done on the street.
Today I usually wear full protection because I know myself and that I'm likely to push the envelop a bit more than I should. I also don't like gov't required helmets, gun bans, illegal cannabis, and much much more.
The way i look at it is that voting for a dem or rep would be wasting my vote. My less wasted vote is going to Nader as a protest.
Today I usually wear full protection because I know myself and that I'm likely to push the envelop a bit more than I should. I also don't like gov't required helmets, gun bans, illegal cannabis, and much much more.
The way i look at it is that voting for a dem or rep would be wasting my vote. My less wasted vote is going to Nader as a protest.
As for wearing a helmet. Except for in the dirt, from 1964 to 1981 I never wore a helmet while riding friends bikes, everything from Honda S90 to Kawi Z1 900cc. I bought a helmet the week before buying my first bike in '81, and haven't ridden without one since.
10-31-2008, 11:41 PM
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I think it's a good idea to point out the reason why I plan to vote for Nader. I'm not scared of Obama being president, but I'm not a huge fan of McCain either. I lean to the right. But since McCain won't win in my state, I don't think it's a waste to vote for Nader. If any party gets 5% of the votes, they get a seat in Congress.
All the Republicans and Democrats do is bump heads. They end up making every issue black and white. We need more options. I'd rather see the Libertarian Party in Congress than the Green Party, but I'll take what I can get.
Wanna see real change? Get another party to represent us in Congress.
All the Republicans and Democrats do is bump heads. They end up making every issue black and white. We need more options. I'd rather see the Libertarian Party in Congress than the Green Party, but I'll take what I can get.
Wanna see real change? Get another party to represent us in Congress.
11-01-2008, 12:47 AM
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Not true. We have a House and a Senate, not a Pairliment. "Parties" don't get seats in the Congress, individuals do, and only when they've won an election. Except that Senators can be appointed by the Governor of a state to fill a vacancy.
PS If you favor Libertarians over Greens, you should vote for Barr instead of Nader.
11-01-2008, 06:11 AM
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I think it's a good idea to point out the reason why I plan to vote for Nader. I'm not scared of Obama being president, but I'm not a huge fan of McCain either. I lean to the right. But since McCain won't win in my state, I don't think it's a waste to vote for Nader. If any party gets 5% of the votes, they get a seat in Congress.
All the Republicans and Democrats do is bump heads. They end up making every issue black and white. We need more options. I'd rather see the Libertarian Party in Congress than the Green Party, but I'll take what I can get.
Wanna see real change? Get another party to represent us in Congress.
All the Republicans and Democrats do is bump heads. They end up making every issue black and white. We need more options. I'd rather see the Libertarian Party in Congress than the Green Party, but I'll take what I can get.
Wanna see real change? Get another party to represent us in Congress.
It seems that many voters feel they can't vote for Nader soley because they know he can't win. This is sad because they don't realize they can win some clout for their interests and demonstrate dissatisfaction with a political system that ignores most of us in favor of powerful special interests/corporations.
11-01-2008, 06:13 AM
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This what is really scarey for me. This guy educates a majority of Americans over a number of months only to renig on his promises and lead us into the greatest depression since the last one. And it may be only my opinion but he has the potential to damage the equal rights progress that this country has made to take us back to the 60's.
Besides the fact that I think he's a clueless soldier in a very dangerous time for America. If he thinks he can script the war in Iraq from Hollywood I don't want to see my guys treated like extras.
Besides the fact that I think he's a clueless soldier in a very dangerous time for America. If he thinks he can script the war in Iraq from Hollywood I don't want to see my guys treated like extras.
Ok be afraid.
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11-01-2008, 06:31 AM
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RKI you are right I live on the Burbs and work in the city. We have a gang murder problem in the City since the war on durgs (the longest most Unsuccessful war I know of) has caused drug prices to stay high it keeps gangs in existence. The DC ruling looks like it will cause the hand gun ban to be lifted. But in spite of what I just wrote Chicago is a clean and very safe city as the largest gang in the city is the Chicago Police Department. I really get amused at all the experts (I am not talking about you) on Chicago who don’t know what they are taking about.
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11-01-2008, 06:32 AM
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Jim, I was just a frequent visitor to a young lady and an infrequent job start point (Chi. to NO via Miss. River). But I saw enough. It's like New York City; nice place to visit and do the town, but I know enough to not want to live there...
11-01-2008, 07:23 AM
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Where is Dayton located, I have ridden through Tennessee and Kentucky many times, that is one issue with Chicago; we do not have great riding areas like you do.
11-01-2008, 08:49 AM
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Dayton is on the map.Barely.
It's 45 miles north of Chattanooga on 27N. About 60 miles west of Knoxville on 30W. It's in a little valley with a railroad and the Tenn. river. Two nuke plants north and south.
I'd live somewhere else similar if I had to do it over again, the economic downturn is quite bad here and the town is too small to get a good spread of opportunities. But with the gas prices high, it's just a bit too far to drive every day to a larger town, for me at least.
http://www.mapquest.com/maps?zipcode....0132:0:::::/e
11-01-2008, 04:58 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt2yGzHfy7s
YouTube - Obama Civilian Security
A National Civilian Security Force as well funded and as strong as the miltary? The Obama SA/Brownshirts? I understand why people despise Bush and don't care for McAmnesty, but you have to be a brain dead ******' idiot to vote for this New World Order fascist named Obama.
YouTube - Obama Civilian Security
A National Civilian Security Force as well funded and as strong as the miltary? The Obama SA/Brownshirts? I understand why people despise Bush and don't care for McAmnesty, but you have to be a brain dead ******' idiot to vote for this New World Order fascist named Obama.
11-01-2008, 05:10 PM
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i feel as though if you are afraid of Obama, your afraid of change......Change can be both bad or good.......but by judging our recent past, we are in need of Change.
Seems as though we the civilized americans are doing the same things The Thugs And Outcast of our system are doig....claiming Colors Blue and Red....literally!! We are all Americans, divided WE FAIL!!!
Seems as though we the civilized americans are doing the same things The Thugs And Outcast of our system are doig....claiming Colors Blue and Red....literally!! We are all Americans, divided WE FAIL!!!
11-01-2008, 05:13 PM
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But one of the main points of a Democracy is having the right to disagree.
11-01-2008, 05:24 PM
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"CHANGE" ?
What do you want to change? That's one of those bullshit words that means something different to every person.
Jesus Christ, George Washington and Abraham Lincoln were for change.
So were Hitler, Stalin and Mao tse Dung.
Am I afraid of "change"? I dunno, what did you have in mind?
A "civilian" police force that is more powerful and expensive than the Army, Air Force, Marines and Navy? I'll pass.
A government which steals from people who have more than me and gives me some of what they stole? No thanks. I'm perfectly capable of taking care of me and mine.
What do you want to change? That's one of those bullshit words that means something different to every person.
Jesus Christ, George Washington and Abraham Lincoln were for change.
So were Hitler, Stalin and Mao tse Dung.
Am I afraid of "change"? I dunno, what did you have in mind?
A "civilian" police force that is more powerful and expensive than the Army, Air Force, Marines and Navy? I'll pass.
A government which steals from people who have more than me and gives me some of what they stole? No thanks. I'm perfectly capable of taking care of me and mine.
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11-01-2008, 05:30 PM
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"CHANGE" ?
What do you want to change? That's one of those bullshit words that means something different to every person.
Jesus Christ, George Washington and Abraham Lincoln were for change.
So were Hitler, Stalin and Mao tse Dung.
Am I afraid of "change"? I dunno, what did you have in mind?
What do you want to change? That's one of those bullshit words that means something different to every person.
Jesus Christ, George Washington and Abraham Lincoln were for change.
So were Hitler, Stalin and Mao tse Dung.
Am I afraid of "change"? I dunno, what did you have in mind?
11-01-2008, 05:31 PM
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i feel as though if you are afraid of Obama, your afraid of change......Change can be both bad or good.......but by judging our recent past, we are in need of Change.
Seems as though we the civilized americans are doing the same things The Thugs And Outcast of our system are doig....claiming Colors Blue and Red....literally!! We are all Americans, divided WE FAIL!!!
Seems as though we the civilized americans are doing the same things The Thugs And Outcast of our system are doig....claiming Colors Blue and Red....literally!! We are all Americans, divided WE FAIL!!!
he's already got the brownshirts hatching...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mvP0ArKIGY
11-01-2008, 05:37 PM
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POCKET change is all our asses are going to get after he taxes the **** out of us.....or more specifically, the hard-working, accountable, responsible, and educated people. i hate liberal democrats that think socialism is some how acceptable! this is exactly what obama is for. he wants a gov. that punishes wealth creation, while coddling the the trash that buys things they can't afford, and does not save for retirement.....blah blah blah.....sorry for the rant.
vote republican, because we can't ALL be on welfare!
vote republican, because we can't ALL be on welfare!
11-01-2008, 05:42 PM
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LineArray,
Wow that is scary. And it has nothing to do with the kids being black. It has to do with indoctrination. Looks too much like goosestepping ****'s to me.
Having said that, those kids CAN aspire to be an architect, a fireman, etc , and they don't need an Obama to be able to do that. All they need is desire, loving caring parents, and teachers and counselors who can help guide them on their path. That's part of the greatness of this country. Unfortunately, sometimes the lack of good parenting, peer pressure and rough neighborhoods make their wants difficult to achieve.
Wow that is scary. And it has nothing to do with the kids being black. It has to do with indoctrination. Looks too much like goosestepping ****'s to me.
Having said that, those kids CAN aspire to be an architect, a fireman, etc , and they don't need an Obama to be able to do that. All they need is desire, loving caring parents, and teachers and counselors who can help guide them on their path. That's part of the greatness of this country. Unfortunately, sometimes the lack of good parenting, peer pressure and rough neighborhoods make their wants difficult to achieve.
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11-02-2008, 07:51 AM
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Not true. We have a House and a Senate, not a Pairliment. "Parties" don't get seats in the Congress, individuals do, and only when they've won an election. Except that Senators can be appointed by the Governor of a state to fill a vacancy.
PS If you favor Libertarians over Greens, you should vote for Barr instead of Nader.
PS If you favor Libertarians over Greens, you should vote for Barr instead of Nader.
That 5% figure must mean something, though. I'm wondering if I saw it on the news and misunderstood what was said. Umm.. to be clear, are you saying that nothing is stopping a candidate from any party from running for a seat in congress?
Either way, I feel less motivated to vote knowing that I'm not shooting for a specific target anymore. It seems that voting for a third party is only marginally better than not voting at all. Seems like I don't have much of a "choice" either way.
11-02-2008, 02:53 PM
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Well, that's interesting. No one has called me on my argument until now. I forget where I heard what I heard, but I guess what you said makes more sense.
That 5% figure must mean something, though. I'm wondering if I saw it on the news and misunderstood what was said. Umm.. to be clear, are you saying that nothing is stopping a candidate from any party from running for a seat in congress?
Either way, I feel less motivated to vote knowing that I'm not shooting for a specific target anymore. It seems that voting for a third party is only marginally better than not voting at all. Seems like I don't have much of a "choice" either way.
That 5% figure must mean something, though. I'm wondering if I saw it on the news and misunderstood what was said. Umm.. to be clear, are you saying that nothing is stopping a candidate from any party from running for a seat in congress?
Either way, I feel less motivated to vote knowing that I'm not shooting for a specific target anymore. It seems that voting for a third party is only marginally better than not voting at all. Seems like I don't have much of a "choice" either way.
yeah, i heard the 5% mentioned as as a goal for third parties and what I got out of was that this benchmark put them in a position to have serious influence in Washington. And I agree, voting for a third party is only marginally......the difference being for me that if there was no one to vote for, I wouldn't vote; however, given that there is, I would feel that I didn't do all I could if I didn't express my choice.
11-02-2008, 05:05 PM
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Hope all you guys are ready, because ready or not here comes change.
11-02-2008, 05:28 PM
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Seeing how neither McCain or Obama have been President before, that's a slightly less than bold prediction, Jim!
We're either going to have an old guy with no coherent political philosophy, or a middle aged socialist who's accomplished nothing in his own life but is determined to "change" everything in ours.
Obama is a millionaire whose brother lives in a cardboard shack on $12/month in Kenya.
His "favorite" aunt lives on welfare in the Boston projects.
Poor folks who think Obama's gonna "help" them are in for a very nasty surprise if he gets elected.
We're either going to have an old guy with no coherent political philosophy, or a middle aged socialist who's accomplished nothing in his own life but is determined to "change" everything in ours.
Obama is a millionaire whose brother lives in a cardboard shack on $12/month in Kenya.
His "favorite" aunt lives on welfare in the Boston projects.
Poor folks who think Obama's gonna "help" them are in for a very nasty surprise if he gets elected.
11-02-2008, 06:33 PM
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11-02-2008, 06:53 PM
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We're either going to have an old guy with no coherent political philosophy, or a middle aged socialist who's accomplished nothing in his own life but is determined to "change" everything in ours.
Obama is a millionaire whose brother lives in a cardboard shack on $12/month in Kenya.
His "favorite" aunt lives on welfare in the Boston projects.
Poor folks who think Obama's gonna "help" them are in for a very nasty surprise if he gets elected.
Obama is a millionaire whose brother lives in a cardboard shack on $12/month in Kenya.
His "favorite" aunt lives on welfare in the Boston projects.
Poor folks who think Obama's gonna "help" them are in for a very nasty surprise if he gets elected.
Well said! The man's character is transparent.
11-02-2008, 06:54 PM
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Obama will win RKI you have a problem with it I do not.
PS: where do you get your information RE aunts brothers etc?
Surfer: you don't want lessons from me, I have a long board, as you know you can catch anything on a long board (of course I'm old).
PS: where do you get your information RE aunts brothers etc?
Surfer: you don't want lessons from me, I have a long board, as you know you can catch anything on a long board (of course I'm old).
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11-02-2008, 07:18 PM
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Talk of wasting a vote makes me laugh. The only wasted vote is one cast for McCain or Obama. It doesn't matter which of these two big government socialist puppets of the international bankers gets elected. We all lose. We are headed for hard core tyranny in this country and in the world, really, and Obama's modern day brownshirts (mandatory volunteerism in service of the almighty state) are just one aspect of the overall plan.
The Bush administration (and several previous administrations) has spent the last 8 years dismantling the Constitution, undermining the Bill of Rights, creating a framework for continuity of government under executive branch control, psychologically and legally preparing us for martial law, undermining the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878, legalizing and implementing all forms of spying and surveillance against citizens under the guise of fighting terror, federalizing and militarizing local police forces, using the military as a domestic police force, etc., etc., etc.
It is not for nothing that the government has created unconstitutional "free speech zones", is experimenting with high tech crowd control devices like microwave guns and low frequency sound cannons, and is turning closed down military bases into detention camps to be used in the event of some (staged) emergency.
Whoever becomes president will not repeal the Patriot Act (which says that the government can call ANY crime terrorism), the Military Commissions Act, the John Warner Defense Authorization Act or the super secret NPSD 51. He won't reject the police and spy powers which have been usurped by Bush and others. Some manufactured crisis will be created to invoke all these powers and then they will be used against we the people, for our protection of course.
A world economic system and world government run by them are the long term goals of the criminal international bankers who really run things. They are nearing completion of this task, and whoever gets "elected" on Tuesday will have a big role in ushering in the New World Order. In light of this, to believe that either of the monopoly party's candidates (the Democruds and Republicruds) will make changes to return this country to limited lawful, constitutional government is to believe in the Tooth Fairy and Santa Claus. Obama's comment about Sarah Palin as McCain's running mate being akin to putting lipstick on a pig is deliciously ironic since, as a gofer for the same old Establishment white guys who have been running things forever (while pretending to be anti-Establishment), Obama qualifies as the ultimate Uncle Tom. Well, almost, since he's half white.
Obama's no good. McCain's no good. We're in a world of hurt unless a lot more people wake up to the facts about what's really going on.
The Bush administration (and several previous administrations) has spent the last 8 years dismantling the Constitution, undermining the Bill of Rights, creating a framework for continuity of government under executive branch control, psychologically and legally preparing us for martial law, undermining the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878, legalizing and implementing all forms of spying and surveillance against citizens under the guise of fighting terror, federalizing and militarizing local police forces, using the military as a domestic police force, etc., etc., etc.
It is not for nothing that the government has created unconstitutional "free speech zones", is experimenting with high tech crowd control devices like microwave guns and low frequency sound cannons, and is turning closed down military bases into detention camps to be used in the event of some (staged) emergency.
Whoever becomes president will not repeal the Patriot Act (which says that the government can call ANY crime terrorism), the Military Commissions Act, the John Warner Defense Authorization Act or the super secret NPSD 51. He won't reject the police and spy powers which have been usurped by Bush and others. Some manufactured crisis will be created to invoke all these powers and then they will be used against we the people, for our protection of course.
A world economic system and world government run by them are the long term goals of the criminal international bankers who really run things. They are nearing completion of this task, and whoever gets "elected" on Tuesday will have a big role in ushering in the New World Order. In light of this, to believe that either of the monopoly party's candidates (the Democruds and Republicruds) will make changes to return this country to limited lawful, constitutional government is to believe in the Tooth Fairy and Santa Claus. Obama's comment about Sarah Palin as McCain's running mate being akin to putting lipstick on a pig is deliciously ironic since, as a gofer for the same old Establishment white guys who have been running things forever (while pretending to be anti-Establishment), Obama qualifies as the ultimate Uncle Tom. Well, almost, since he's half white.
Obama's no good. McCain's no good. We're in a world of hurt unless a lot more people wake up to the facts about what's really going on.
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11-02-2008, 07:24 PM
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Killer, we have always been in a world of hurt, you are not wrong in what you say IMO....life is up and down gain and loss and everything has a life cycle. Remeber we live in the golden age of motorcylces; if you like / love them then you are a man of your time.
11-02-2008, 07:30 PM
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My guess is that the 8.7% is mostly HRC Dems and American Jews who love Israel who are unwilling to tell pollsters they are voting GOP for the first time in their lives. If Investor's Business Daily is right this time, Obama is toast.
I wouldn't bs you about the brother and aunt. I'll look for the links later or tomorrow morning.
11-02-2008, 07:31 PM
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Seeing how neither McCain or Obama have been President before, that's a slightly less than bold prediction, Jim!
We're either going to have an old guy with no coherent political philosophy, or a middle aged socialist who's accomplished nothing in his own life but is determined to "change" everything in ours.
Obama is a millionaire whose brother lives in a cardboard shack on $12/month in Kenya.
His "favorite" aunt lives on welfare in the Boston projects.
Poor folks who think Obama's gonna "help" them are in for a very nasty surprise if he gets elected.
We're either going to have an old guy with no coherent political philosophy, or a middle aged socialist who's accomplished nothing in his own life but is determined to "change" everything in ours.
Obama is a millionaire whose brother lives in a cardboard shack on $12/month in Kenya.
His "favorite" aunt lives on welfare in the Boston projects.
Poor folks who think Obama's gonna "help" them are in for a very nasty surprise if he gets elected.
If that's the same aunt on the news, she's also an illegal alien and has been ordered by the courts to leave the country. Obama says that the law should be upheld. According to the adds, Obama will allow illegals social security and driver's licenses.
It's going to be a blowout. Obama is predicted win in a landslide. You don't have to worry about your vote being significant, so vote your conscience.
