nath981

With all due respect, Nader didn't sink anything. he presented information to gov't agencies, they studied that info and made the call.

If the media was doing its job, they would watchdog our political officials and working americans like us would better understand what's happening here. For example, the media should publish what lobby gave how much to whom to have their legislation passed. The fact is that politicians are dependent on lobbies' sponsors for election monies, i.e., their political longevity; so who are their real constituents? Not us for sure.

Nader would try his damnedest to give us our country back and that's one reason we should all be voting for him.

read Jesse Ventura's new book if you want another's view, one from the inside.

trinc

the corvair was sunk by the lawsuits that people filed ( people that crashed their corvair ) siting the chapter in naders book "unsafe at any speed".

which in later government tests showed that the car infact was NOT unsafe.

tim

btw: it's my little jab at nader... nothing more.

LineArrayNut

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_f84qX3pBg

nath981

Whether or not the corvair was safe, I don't know. I do know that my friend had a new Spyder no one could keep up with it through the curvy backroads in PA, including the fastest bike riders around at the time. It was a kickass little car, I have to agree. As far as trusting gov't test results or gov't anything, that's unfortunately another matter.
Concerning Nader, he's an honest straightshooter and a working man's advocate and that's why I'm voting for him.

nuhawk

I have plenty of respect for Jesse. There's no doubt that he sneaked in while the screen door was ajar but he's refreshing in politics. Same appreciation for Ross Perot.

Country boys (I intend that broadly interpretated) asking the same question, "Why the hell can't we get this done?" Washington - not the guy - the place!

RK1

Lobbyists bribe and buy favors from the government because people who think like Nader have created a government big and powerful enough to do big favors for big shots.

Nader is a collectivist and a socialist. He's pretty honest about it and I respect him for that.

But for socialists like Nader, the solution to the abuses of big government is always bigger government with more abuse, leading to calls for even bigger big government, more abuse etc. ad nauseum...


If you really wanted our "country back", you'd be the demanding small, minimalist government as intended by the Founders and demanded by the Constitution.

nuhawk

There you have it! Government is too big, can't afford itself and neither can we. Their incestuous relationship with big money is that we go through this every four years as mere citzens for their entertainment. By the people and for the people - WHAT HAPPENED???

VTRsurfer

Back in 1965 Nader was in the news EVERY day, lobbying to Congress about the fact that Detroit was making unsafe cars only because they didn't want to spend the money to make them safe. I know this because I heard it every day on the radio at my workplace. I've been teaching this to my students for decades. Seat belts, head restraints, side marker lights, dual hydraulic brake system, collapsible steering column, padded dashboards, etc.

I admire him for what he did back then, but he's still an ACLU type lawyer who is no friend of internal combustion.

nath981

what happened! alot has happened. to oversimplify for the sake of brevity, greedy, agressive, over-ambitious people/corporations without regulations to curtail their "end justifies the means" modus operandi have gained control over the people who are more inclined to value things like family, friends, and only taking what you need, not all you can get.

nath981

No one should be a fan of internal combustion as it has been defined by american automakers. their evil ways are finally catching up with them. thank god for the japanese for allowing us to experience real quality!

Randman

This is the most interesting thing I've read in a long time. The sad thing about it, you can see it coming.


I have always heard about this democracy countdown. It is interesting to see it in print. .


How Long Do We Have?

About the time our original thirteen states adopted their new constitution in 1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh , had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years earlier:

'A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government.
'

'A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury.
'

From that moment on, the majority always vote for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.
'

'The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years'

'During those 200 years, those nations always progressed through the following sequence:

1.
from bondage to spiritual faith;

2.
from spiritual faith to great courage;

3.
from courage to liberty;

4.
from liberty to abundance;

5.
from abundance to complacency;

6.
from complacency to apathy;

7.
from apathy to dependence;

8.
from dependence back into bondage'

Professor Joseph Olson of Hemline University School of Law, St.
Paul , Minnesota , points out some interesting facts concerning the 2000 Presidential election:..

Number of States won by: Democrats: 19 Republicans: 29

Square miles of land won by: Democrats: 580,000 Republicans: 2,427,000

Population of counties won by: Democrats: 127 million Republicans: 143 million

Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: Democrats: 13.2 Republicans: 2.
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Professor Olson adds: 'In aggregate, the map of the territory Republican won was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of this great country. Democrat territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in government-owned tenements and living off various forms of government welfare...' Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the 'complacency and apathy' phase of Professor Tyler's definition of democracy, with some forty percent of the nation's population already having reached the 'governmental dependency' phase.



If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million criminal invaders called illegal's and they vote, then we can say goodbye to the USA in fewer than five years.

Randman

Seems that people should research something before they buy it, I am not so sure that I like all the Government Regulations...This is where independent testing comes in...If I test out your car that you build top to bottom, then I run the reports for all to see, how many death trap cars are you gonna sell?
keep Government out of it...

I have no problem with a CEO making millions, if that is what a board wants to pay them, but if he steers the company into the *******, then the company goes bankrupt period! Not the CEO's fault that the board in it's infinate wisdom decided to over pay him...Again, keep government out of it..
If laws are being broken then by all means investigate, sentence, and carry out punishment...

Randman

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oM3Ls8NNc5Q

Econ lesson

nuhawk

I knew you would be back. RANDON! and on and on somebody's got to get this. And obw - buy guns while you still can. There's going to a be a big run on 30rnd clips - buy stock.

nuhawk

Amen brother! An honest day's wage for an honest day's work. The big American car makers are going to have to step up. I'll step a little out of the box but it might be time for GM to fold and let the individual strong suites prevail in a free market. Chevy and Caddy are almost their best bets. GM should have seen this coming. You can't turn out decades of mediocrity across multiple models and compete with a builder that has excellent engineering and workmanship but sticks to four models.

Randman

I was gonna wait til I got out there before I went on a buying spree, I am thinking this next show here will be getting all my money!
Already working on my next AR...LOL...May go ahead and pick up few extra lowers..

nuhawk

That's all well and prob true. We're still on about a nine month time line - especially if something happens.

VTRsurfer

Preston Tucker tried to build a safer car in 1948 (and it hauled ***), but the Big Three shot him down, with the help of the government. The changes Nader brought about were overdue, especially seat belts.

But even though I wouldn't think of riding without a full face helmet, I don't agree with government regulations REQUIRING me to do so. And I would never waste my vote on Nader.

Byrdman