Riding rules/laws
#1
Riding rules/laws
Why is it that in California, Arizona and Texas (3 states Ive been to recently) riders can ride up to the front of the lanes at stop lights, roll past stopped vehicles in stop and go traffic, etc without any problems from other drivers. But on the other hand, here in Oregon you get flipped off, horns blown at you and genuinely treated like you stole something if you do? I see bikes helping the traffic issue and not hurting a damn thing when they do these things responsibly, but most drivers here in OR seem to think different. I'm not sure exactly what/how the laws read though between the different states.
#3
It's actually more accepted in SoCal than NoCal ! I've also been told that while lane splitting is "legal" it's only because the police do it.
Of course I've also been told it's legal because there is no law prohibiting more than one vehicle per lane, must come from the Keystone Cops days in Hollyweird.
All I can tell you is that it works and if you do it long enough you will come to understand just how much situational awareness is your best and only friend.
Of course I've also been told it's legal because there is no law prohibiting more than one vehicle per lane, must come from the Keystone Cops days in Hollyweird.
All I can tell you is that it works and if you do it long enough you will come to understand just how much situational awareness is your best and only friend.
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#7
Lane splitting is not specifically disallowed in Texas but it sure is frowned upon by most everyone and made even less popular in the DFW metroplex by groups of sportbike riders who blast up and down the roads as if they own them.
#8
Factoid: lanesplitting is safer than riding in line. Has to do with there being a vastly larger amount of rear end collisions than sideswipes.
I wouldn't wait for cars to love you for it but they are not taking the risks so they don't get the payoff of getting there sooner.
Lane splitting takes way more concentration so dont do it unless you are hyper alert, like dont overtake more than 10mph differential, cover the brake, quick blip the horn, etc.
It helps to flash a peace sign to cars that let you through, makes them feel like they are part of the cause.
The gen pop will happily send young men off to be decapitated and parylized in war but deny them the right to have a drink so dont expect fairness.
I wouldn't wait for cars to love you for it but they are not taking the risks so they don't get the payoff of getting there sooner.
Lane splitting takes way more concentration so dont do it unless you are hyper alert, like dont overtake more than 10mph differential, cover the brake, quick blip the horn, etc.
It helps to flash a peace sign to cars that let you through, makes them feel like they are part of the cause.
The gen pop will happily send young men off to be decapitated and parylized in war but deny them the right to have a drink so dont expect fairness.
#9
Im not so sure what city in Texas you visited however riders risk personal injury doing that in Texas at the hands of some big redneck and his pickup door if you were riding to the front, lane splitting or passing cars in stop and go traffic. I do well just to defend my space in stop and go traffic and have had to apply my boot to fenders more than once, (that's the only time I did pass cars in stop and go).
Lane splitting is not specifically disallowed in Texas but it sure is frowned upon by most everyone and made even less popular in the DFW metroplex by groups of sportbike riders who blast up and down the roads as if they own them.
Lane splitting is not specifically disallowed in Texas but it sure is frowned upon by most everyone and made even less popular in the DFW metroplex by groups of sportbike riders who blast up and down the roads as if they own them.
#10
Where in Oregon are you? I've lived here in Corvallis for almost 14 years and have never encountered traffic heavy enough to necessitate me splitting a lane (not specifically in town, all over the valley).
I've lived in both Northern California and in Phoenix prior to living here and while in California lane splitting was common practice I don't recall seeing it all that often in PHX and was under the assumption that it was frowned upon by the boys in blue.
I've lived in both Northern California and in Phoenix prior to living here and while in California lane splitting was common practice I don't recall seeing it all that often in PHX and was under the assumption that it was frowned upon by the boys in blue.
#12
Where in Oregon are you? I've lived here in Corvallis for almost 14 years and have never encountered traffic heavy enough to necessitate me splitting a lane (not specifically in town, all over the valley).
I've lived in both Northern California and in Phoenix prior to living here and while in California lane splitting was common practice I don't recall seeing it all that often in PHX and was under the assumption that it was frowned upon by the boys in blue.
I've lived in both Northern California and in Phoenix prior to living here and while in California lane splitting was common practice I don't recall seeing it all that often in PHX and was under the assumption that it was frowned upon by the boys in blue.
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#15
As far a the legality in CA, its because there is no law prohibiting it. They tried making it illegal in the air cooled Harley days, however chp lobbied against it as their motors would over heat in stop and go traffic. You can be cited for unsafe passing, but only if you are splitting at an insane speed or if you ride the line. It's referred to as lane sharing by most riders, giving it a less questionable sounding name.
I split at every light, as long as I can make it to the front before it turns green. I rarely have people honk, but when I do I kindly look them in the eye and give them the finger. I'm not hurting anyone or making them slow, I'm usually through the intersection by the time theyve realized the light changed. I was stopped for sharing once by a city cop and he told me it was because I straddled the line coming to the light. I told him I would risk a ticket over being rear ended every time, he agreed and told me to have a nice day.
I split at every light, as long as I can make it to the front before it turns green. I rarely have people honk, but when I do I kindly look them in the eye and give them the finger. I'm not hurting anyone or making them slow, I'm usually through the intersection by the time theyve realized the light changed. I was stopped for sharing once by a city cop and he told me it was because I straddled the line coming to the light. I told him I would risk a ticket over being rear ended every time, he agreed and told me to have a nice day.
#16
Actually in CA it is legal, and there is a section for it...there is no grey area "because it isn't specifically illegal" - it is fully legal, as long as it is done in a safe and prudent manner (and that is the exact working from the CVC).
Personally I will split anywhere, I don't care if I am in Texas, back home in Canada, or what...I would rather have to beat up some ***** in a pickup truck or dodge some lane weavers than get rear ended or sit idle in traffic.
Personally I will split anywhere, I don't care if I am in Texas, back home in Canada, or what...I would rather have to beat up some ***** in a pickup truck or dodge some lane weavers than get rear ended or sit idle in traffic.
Last edited by blamecanada; 03-30-2012 at 10:01 AM.
#17
Actually in CA it is legal, and there is a section for it...there is no grey area "because it isn't specifically illegal" - it is fully legal, as long as it is done in a safe and prudent manner (and that is the exact working from the CVC).
Personally I will split anywhere, I don't care if I am in Texas, back home in Canada, or what...I would rather have to beat up some ***** in a pickup truck or dodge some lane weavers than get rear ended or sit idle in traffic.
Personally I will split anywhere, I don't care if I am in Texas, back home in Canada, or what...I would rather have to beat up some ***** in a pickup truck or dodge some lane weavers than get rear ended or sit idle in traffic.
#18
ooooh stung by my own failure to research after listening to someone else...you guys are right!
hahaha
there's no CVC, its just on the CHP's website that they say you can share lanes.
CHP-Frequently Asked Questions of the Highway Patrol
Can motorcycle riders "split" lanes and ride between other vehicles?
Lane splitting by motorcycles is permissible but must be done in a safe and prudent manner.
#19
In AZ it is illegal, but at a stop light you will still see people doing it.
It is however legal for two motorcycles to share a lane.
from: Phoenix Motorcycle Rentals - Where to Rent Motorcycles in Phoenix and Scottsdale
" Arizona does not require helmets for riders 18 years old and older, but they are recommended.
Eye protection is required if there's no windscreen.
Headphones are not prohibited, but are not recommended.
Lane sharing between consenting bikers (two motorcycles driving side-by-side on one lane) is permitted. No more than two may ride side-by-side.
Lane splitting in Arizona is not permitted. That is, you may not drive your motorcycle in between two lanes of traffic, as tempting as that might be during rush hour. "
It is however legal for two motorcycles to share a lane.
from: Phoenix Motorcycle Rentals - Where to Rent Motorcycles in Phoenix and Scottsdale
" Arizona does not require helmets for riders 18 years old and older, but they are recommended.
Eye protection is required if there's no windscreen.
Headphones are not prohibited, but are not recommended.
Lane sharing between consenting bikers (two motorcycles driving side-by-side on one lane) is permitted. No more than two may ride side-by-side.
Lane splitting in Arizona is not permitted. That is, you may not drive your motorcycle in between two lanes of traffic, as tempting as that might be during rush hour. "
#20
You know, I know and everyone else out there knows it isn't for safety, it's to get ahead of the traffic. Be careful out there.
#21
I tend not to get too angry on the bike really ever, even if people are stupid and try to block me I can usually find a way through and not care...It's easy to be mellow when you're getting around traffic. I give people a wave if they move over as long as its safe to do so.
I would say if someone tried to intentionally harm me though and not just hold me up they had better have a pretty good weapon with them whenever they get to their final destination (with me in tow)...good thing I don't live in TX, probably get shot by some dickless 4x4 driver.
Or any of us could just get taken out like this:
http://www.accidentin.com/article_re...dLink=32540349
Sucks to think about...
#22
....I would say if someone tried to intentionally harm me though and not just hold me up they had better have a pretty good weapon with them whenever they get to their final destination (with me in tow)...good thing I don't live in TX, probably get shot by some dickless 4x4 driver.....
#23
I'm a pretty casual/calm dude 99% of the time, I try (successfully for years) to stay out of trouble and confrontations with random people, I just know I would get angry if someone ran me off the road or made contact with my bike on purpose (hey anyone would right?) probably enough to forget about potential consequences...when I say I might get shot eventually I mean it, I'd probably follow some dude to give him a good lesson and get gunned down instead.
btw I don't hate trucks, just the wannabes who drive them...especially here in CA...so ridiculous. I grew up in the country and yes we had pickups but its because we needed to use them to move hay bales or equipment around...not to make up for lack of manhood.
Last edited by blamecanada; 03-30-2012 at 03:37 PM.
#24
VTRsurfer is absolutely right about the head fakes, the shoulder drops are a dead giveaway too. Then there are the squezzers and finally the a** hole that would actually take you out if you don't see him first.
I used to have a tension headache by the time I got home, but then again I got home nearly 1 hr before the cages!!
I used to have a tension headache by the time I got home, but then again I got home nearly 1 hr before the cages!!
#25
Sadly here in Orygun it is not legal and with "driver" being part of my job title I don't chance it.
#26
"Lane splitting" is VERY illegal in MOST ALL states. It IS legal in California mostly due to high traffic volume and the fact that motorcycles can easily overheat in slow moving situations.
It's also legal in Nebraska.
Legal in MOST all of Europe, Japan and MANY other south Asian countries.
If what I remember is correct up to 10mph over the speed of traffic is the legal wording for CALI law.
I lane split EVERYWHERE EVERY time I ride, streets, highway, superhawk, scooter, whatever.
It's also legal in Nebraska.
Legal in MOST all of Europe, Japan and MANY other south Asian countries.
If what I remember is correct up to 10mph over the speed of traffic is the legal wording for CALI law.
I lane split EVERYWHERE EVERY time I ride, streets, highway, superhawk, scooter, whatever.
#27
The dipshit Hardley rider that wants to sit in the middle and diddle his throttle endlessly at the light deserves to have his ankles broke.
It's a big chunk of concrete or asphalt - the other stuff is just paint.
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