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Old 03-25-2012 | 08:33 PM
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Riding rules/laws

Why is it that in California, Arizona and Texas (3 states Ive been to recently) riders can ride up to the front of the lanes at stop lights, roll past stopped vehicles in stop and go traffic, etc without any problems from other drivers. But on the other hand, here in Oregon you get flipped off, horns blown at you and genuinely treated like you stole something if you do? I see bikes helping the traffic issue and not hurting a damn thing when they do these things responsibly, but most drivers here in OR seem to think different. I'm not sure exactly what/how the laws read though between the different states.
Old 03-25-2012 | 08:39 PM
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Old 03-25-2012 | 09:21 PM
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It's actually more accepted in SoCal than NoCal ! I've also been told that while lane splitting is "legal" it's only because the police do it.

Of course I've also been told it's legal because there is no law prohibiting more than one vehicle per lane, must come from the Keystone Cops days in Hollyweird.

All I can tell you is that it works and if you do it long enough you will come to understand just how much situational awareness is your best and only friend.
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Actually if I'm not mistaken it's not legal to do that anywhere in the US. You get away with it in CA because it's not specifically illegal.
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Actually if I'm not mistaken it's not legal to do that anywhere in the US. You get away with it in CA because it's not specifically illegal.
Thought that's pretty much what I said!
Old 03-25-2012 | 11:39 PM
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Originally Posted by HRCA#1
Thought that's pretty much what I said!
Didn't refresh the page to see your post before getting around to submitting the reply
Old 03-26-2012 | 05:17 AM
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Originally Posted by ddavi280
Why is it that in California, Arizona and Texas (3 states Ive been to recently) riders can ride up to the front of the lanes at stop lights, roll past stopped vehicles in stop and go traffic, etc without any problems from other drivers. .......
Im not so sure what city in Texas you visited however riders risk personal injury doing that in Texas at the hands of some big redneck and his pickup door if you were riding to the front, lane splitting or passing cars in stop and go traffic. I do well just to defend my space in stop and go traffic and have had to apply my boot to fenders more than once, (that's the only time I did pass cars in stop and go).

Lane splitting is not specifically disallowed in Texas but it sure is frowned upon by most everyone and made even less popular in the DFW metroplex by groups of sportbike riders who blast up and down the roads as if they own them.
Old 03-26-2012 | 07:49 AM
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Factoid: lanesplitting is safer than riding in line. Has to do with there being a vastly larger amount of rear end collisions than sideswipes.

I wouldn't wait for cars to love you for it but they are not taking the risks so they don't get the payoff of getting there sooner.

Lane splitting takes way more concentration so dont do it unless you are hyper alert, like dont overtake more than 10mph differential, cover the brake, quick blip the horn, etc.

It helps to flash a peace sign to cars that let you through, makes them feel like they are part of the cause.

The gen pop will happily send young men off to be decapitated and parylized in war but deny them the right to have a drink so dont expect fairness.
Old 03-26-2012 | 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by RWhisen
Im not so sure what city in Texas you visited however riders risk personal injury doing that in Texas at the hands of some big redneck and his pickup door if you were riding to the front, lane splitting or passing cars in stop and go traffic. I do well just to defend my space in stop and go traffic and have had to apply my boot to fenders more than once, (that's the only time I did pass cars in stop and go).

Lane splitting is not specifically disallowed in Texas but it sure is frowned upon by most everyone and made even less popular in the DFW metroplex by groups of sportbike riders who blast up and down the roads as if they own them.
Houston,Galveston, and Dallas in the last 2 years. Rode from Houston to Galveston while there. Didn't ride in Dallas. Sounds like Texas has the same views in bikes as Oregon.
Old 03-26-2012 | 08:38 PM
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Where in Oregon are you? I've lived here in Corvallis for almost 14 years and have never encountered traffic heavy enough to necessitate me splitting a lane (not specifically in town, all over the valley).

I've lived in both Northern California and in Phoenix prior to living here and while in California lane splitting was common practice I don't recall seeing it all that often in PHX and was under the assumption that it was frowned upon by the boys in blue.
Old 03-26-2012 | 08:46 PM
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Nope. Doesn't happen here. I just line up to the sides of cars and gaze into the glistening reflection adjacent to my hands, waiting for the kiss of death via plastic snowbird bumper.
Old 03-27-2012 | 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by poppazuti
Where in Oregon are you? I've lived here in Corvallis for almost 14 years and have never encountered traffic heavy enough to necessitate me splitting a lane (not specifically in town, all over the valley).

I've lived in both Northern California and in Phoenix prior to living here and while in California lane splitting was common practice I don't recall seeing it all that often in PHX and was under the assumption that it was frowned upon by the boys in blue.
I'm in Eugene, Go Ducks! I agree it's not necessary here, the topic is mainly an observation I've made of what seems to be accepted in different locals. Portland has the traffic that a rider might consider lane splitting, definately not necessary in Eugene/Corvallis.
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Yeah I'm afraid it would go down something like this:

Woman tries to run over biker - Briga no tra
Old 03-27-2012 | 08:15 PM
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Wouldn't recommend you try that in the southeast US, you might not be alive to tell about it.
Old 03-30-2012 | 09:27 AM
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As far a the legality in CA, its because there is no law prohibiting it. They tried making it illegal in the air cooled Harley days, however chp lobbied against it as their motors would over heat in stop and go traffic. You can be cited for unsafe passing, but only if you are splitting at an insane speed or if you ride the line. It's referred to as lane sharing by most riders, giving it a less questionable sounding name.

I split at every light, as long as I can make it to the front before it turns green. I rarely have people honk, but when I do I kindly look them in the eye and give them the finger. I'm not hurting anyone or making them slow, I'm usually through the intersection by the time theyve realized the light changed. I was stopped for sharing once by a city cop and he told me it was because I straddled the line coming to the light. I told him I would risk a ticket over being rear ended every time, he agreed and told me to have a nice day.
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Actually in CA it is legal, and there is a section for it...there is no grey area "because it isn't specifically illegal" - it is fully legal, as long as it is done in a safe and prudent manner (and that is the exact working from the CVC).

Personally I will split anywhere, I don't care if I am in Texas, back home in Canada, or what...I would rather have to beat up some ***** in a pickup truck or dodge some lane weavers than get rear ended or sit idle in traffic.

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Originally Posted by blamecanada
Actually in CA it is legal, and there is a section for it...there is no grey area "because it isn't specifically illegal" - it is fully legal, as long as it is done in a safe and prudent manner (and that is the exact working from the CVC).

Personally I will split anywhere, I don't care if I am in Texas, back home in Canada, or what...I would rather have to beat up some ***** in a pickup truck or dodge some lane weavers than get rear ended or sit idle in traffic.
i would be interested in the vehicle code that specifies that..never heard of it before and I've lived here 30 years.
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Originally Posted by HRCA#1
i would be interested in the vehicle code that specifies that..never heard of it before and I've lived here 30 years.

ooooh stung by my own failure to research after listening to someone else...you guys are right!

hahaha

there's no CVC, its just on the CHP's website that they say you can share lanes.

CHP-Frequently Asked Questions of the Highway Patrol

Can motorcycle riders "split" lanes and ride between other vehicles?
Lane splitting by motorcycles is permissible but must be done in a safe and prudent manner.
Old 03-30-2012 | 01:09 PM
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In AZ it is illegal, but at a stop light you will still see people doing it.

It is however legal for two motorcycles to share a lane.
from: Phoenix Motorcycle Rentals - Where to Rent Motorcycles in Phoenix and Scottsdale
" Arizona does not require helmets for riders 18 years old and older, but they are recommended.
Eye protection is required if there's no windscreen.
Headphones are not prohibited, but are not recommended.
Lane sharing between consenting bikers (two motorcycles driving side-by-side on one lane) is permitted. No more than two may ride side-by-side.
Lane splitting in Arizona is not permitted. That is, you may not drive your motorcycle in between two lanes of traffic, as tempting as that might be during rush hour. "
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Originally Posted by blamecanada
Personally I will split anywhere, I don't care if I am in Texas, back home in Canada, or what...I would rather have to beat up some ***** in a pickup truck or dodge some lane weavers than get rear ended or sit idle in traffic.
You know, I know and everyone else out there knows it isn't for safety, it's to get ahead of the traffic. Be careful out there.
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Originally Posted by RWhisen
You know, I know and everyone else out there knows it isn't for safety, it's to get ahead of the traffic. Be careful out there.
Agreed, the safety is a tertiary benefit of something I would do anyway even if there was no safety benefit.

I tend not to get too angry on the bike really ever, even if people are stupid and try to block me I can usually find a way through and not care...It's easy to be mellow when you're getting around traffic. I give people a wave if they move over as long as its safe to do so.

I would say if someone tried to intentionally harm me though and not just hold me up they had better have a pretty good weapon with them whenever they get to their final destination (with me in tow)...good thing I don't live in TX, probably get shot by some dickless 4x4 driver.

Or any of us could just get taken out like this:

http://www.accidentin.com/article_re...dLink=32540349

Sucks to think about...
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Originally Posted by blamecanada
....I would say if someone tried to intentionally harm me though and not just hold me up they had better have a pretty good weapon with them whenever they get to their final destination (with me in tow)...good thing I don't live in TX, probably get shot by some dickless 4x4 driver.....
You are aware that TX is a concealed carry state aren't you? It could be a very bad mistake to make said 4X4 driver feel threatened. When it comes time to tell the story, the one laying down usually doesn't have much to say.
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Originally Posted by RWhisen
You are aware that TX is a concealed carry state aren't you? It could be a very bad mistake to make said 4X4 driver feel threatened. When it comes time to tell the story, the one laying down usually doesn't have much to say.
That's why it's good I don't live there, lol, I don't wanna have to carry a gun.

I'm a pretty casual/calm dude 99% of the time, I try (successfully for years) to stay out of trouble and confrontations with random people, I just know I would get angry if someone ran me off the road or made contact with my bike on purpose (hey anyone would right?) probably enough to forget about potential consequences...when I say I might get shot eventually I mean it, I'd probably follow some dude to give him a good lesson and get gunned down instead.

btw I don't hate trucks, just the wannabes who drive them...especially here in CA...so ridiculous. I grew up in the country and yes we had pickups but its because we needed to use them to move hay bales or equipment around...not to make up for lack of manhood.

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VTRsurfer is absolutely right about the head fakes, the shoulder drops are a dead giveaway too. Then there are the squezzers and finally the a** hole that would actually take you out if you don't see him first.

I used to have a tension headache by the time I got home, but then again I got home nearly 1 hr before the cages!!
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Originally Posted by poppazuti
Where in Oregon are you? I've lived here in Corvallis for almost 14 years and have never encountered traffic heavy enough to necessitate me splitting a lane (not specifically in town, all over the valley).
Try getting across Portland in rush hour traffic.

Sadly here in Orygun it is not legal and with "driver" being part of my job title I don't chance it.
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"Lane splitting" is VERY illegal in MOST ALL states. It IS legal in California mostly due to high traffic volume and the fact that motorcycles can easily overheat in slow moving situations.
It's also legal in Nebraska.


Legal in MOST all of Europe, Japan and MANY other south Asian countries.


If what I remember is correct up to 10mph over the speed of traffic is the legal wording for CALI law.

I lane split EVERYWHERE EVERY time I ride, streets, highway, superhawk, scooter, whatever.
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Originally Posted by ddavi280
Houston,Galveston, and Dallas in the last 2 years. Rode from Houston to Galveston while there. Didn't ride in Dallas. Sounds like Texas has the same views in bikes as Oregon.
Not quite! All the guys that come whizzing past while you're sitting there at the stoppie are all throttle closed. If you are dumb enough to try a door-check you can put us on the ground but . . . SigArms.com

The dipshit Hardley rider that wants to sit in the middle and diddle his throttle endlessly at the light deserves to have his ankles broke.

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