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03-11-2009 | 01:23 AM
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The Sig 556 takes M16/AR mags. If I didn't already have everything I needed for myself and the better part of a platoon, I'd buy the Sig if I could find one for $1300. Given the current climate/shortages/price hikes, I don't think you can buy or build a good AR for a whole lot less than that.
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03-11-2009 | 04:53 AM
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I may start a build also... buy the lower I found, and slowly collect parts.
RK, you, LAN, and Randy are the guys I was hoping would answer the call (along with 8643 and Drew)... Thanks. I felt like it was an "ok" price, too, but wanted a better opinion (more knowledgeable). Best I could price out a "build" AR is around $900, with the options similar to the Sig, then add transfer fees, and time (waiting for parts, and building). Factor all that, plus it's a "Sig", new, Pistol operated, and can be ready tomorrow.. Well.. I'm waiting on the paperwork to go through. It seems SO many people are buying, they are back logged.. everyone got held up yesterday. Guys at the local GS (employees) were PISSED!!
I liked the fact that the 556 uses the AR mag also.. big plus. They are $15 at local GS vs $55 for a set of Sigs. Three rail system, Holo sights, and the colapsable stock... lol, I was standing looking around and he carried it out of the back (just came in)... what timing.
How bout ammo? $280/1000 good price for 223?
Now.. I'm also looking at a Ruger m77 .308, with a Simmons scope, EXTREMELY clean (? power, not small though).They're asking $575.. figure I can pick it for $550 ott..
I haven't fired a Sig 556. I've fired earlier guns in the 550 series (as well as the AMT and PE57) and they were world class. I never bought one 'cause they were expensive but mostly 'cause they required unique to themselves magazines that were very expensive.
The Sig 556 takes M16/AR mags. If I didn't already have everything I needed for myself and the better part of a platoon, I'd buy the Sig if I could find one for $1300. Given the current climate/shortages/price hikes, I don't think you can buy or build a good AR for a whole lot less than that.
The Sig 556 takes M16/AR mags. If I didn't already have everything I needed for myself and the better part of a platoon, I'd buy the Sig if I could find one for $1300. Given the current climate/shortages/price hikes, I don't think you can buy or build a good AR for a whole lot less than that.
I liked the fact that the 556 uses the AR mag also.. big plus. They are $15 at local GS vs $55 for a set of Sigs. Three rail system, Holo sights, and the colapsable stock... lol, I was standing looking around and he carried it out of the back (just came in)... what timing.
How bout ammo? $280/1000 good price for 223?
Now.. I'm also looking at a Ruger m77 .308, with a Simmons scope, EXTREMELY clean (? power, not small though).They're asking $575.. figure I can pick it for $550 ott..
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03-11-2009 | 06:55 AM
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NYC Lawsuit Against America's Firearms
Manufacturers Denied By U.S. Supreme Court
Fairfax, Va. - On Monday, March 9, the U.S. Supreme Court denied consideration of New York City and Washington, D.C. lawsuits, New York v. Beretta and Lawson v. Beretta, respectively, that tried to hold American gun manufacturers responsible for the acts of criminals. The Court 's order leaves standing a pair of decisions by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit and District of Columbia Court of Appeals, both of which found that the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (PLCAA), enacted in 2005, prevents these types of lawsuits against lawful firearms manufacturers and dealers.
"Big city mayors conceived these lawsuits to try and litigate American gun manufacturers - who President Roosevelt referred to as "the arsenal of democracy" - out of business," said Chris W. ***, NRA chief lobbyist. "NRA has always believed the courts would agree with Congress that the PLCAA rightfully stops these reckless and politically motivated lawsuits."
In 2000, New York City, Washington, D.C. and several individual plaintiffs sued gun manufacturers, based on the idea that although they manufactured a legal product, forcing them to pay hundreds of millions of dollars in legal fees just to prove their innocence in court would drive them into bankruptcy. In addition to being based on a bogus legal theory, these lawsuits endangered American armed forces and law enforcement. During congressional debate over the PLCAA, the Department of Defense agreed with the NRA that bankrupting U.S. gun makers and making us dependent on foreign countries like France, Russia or China for small arms is a threat to America's domestic and international security.
"We are pleased that the courts have recognized the misguided intent of these lawsuits," concluded ***. " America's law-abiding firearms manufacturers must be protected from reckless suits that have no legal merit."
-NRA-
Manufacturers Denied By U.S. Supreme Court
Fairfax, Va. - On Monday, March 9, the U.S. Supreme Court denied consideration of New York City and Washington, D.C. lawsuits, New York v. Beretta and Lawson v. Beretta, respectively, that tried to hold American gun manufacturers responsible for the acts of criminals. The Court 's order leaves standing a pair of decisions by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit and District of Columbia Court of Appeals, both of which found that the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (PLCAA), enacted in 2005, prevents these types of lawsuits against lawful firearms manufacturers and dealers.
"Big city mayors conceived these lawsuits to try and litigate American gun manufacturers - who President Roosevelt referred to as "the arsenal of democracy" - out of business," said Chris W. ***, NRA chief lobbyist. "NRA has always believed the courts would agree with Congress that the PLCAA rightfully stops these reckless and politically motivated lawsuits."
In 2000, New York City, Washington, D.C. and several individual plaintiffs sued gun manufacturers, based on the idea that although they manufactured a legal product, forcing them to pay hundreds of millions of dollars in legal fees just to prove their innocence in court would drive them into bankruptcy. In addition to being based on a bogus legal theory, these lawsuits endangered American armed forces and law enforcement. During congressional debate over the PLCAA, the Department of Defense agreed with the NRA that bankrupting U.S. gun makers and making us dependent on foreign countries like France, Russia or China for small arms is a threat to America's domestic and international security.
"We are pleased that the courts have recognized the misguided intent of these lawsuits," concluded ***. " America's law-abiding firearms manufacturers must be protected from reckless suits that have no legal merit."
-NRA-
03-11-2009 | 07:54 AM
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Good lord.. If they hold firearms manufacturers responsible for the acts of criminals... what's next? Car Companies held responsible for drunk drivers? Electric companies for house Fires? Building contractors for earthquake damage? WTF...
And yes it is "Wolf" ammo for $280/1000. They have PMC for $380/1000... I mean, no spray and pray, but I'm no sharpshooter either. I'm not looking for a 2 1/2'' group at 600 yards. Plus the Sig has a switch to operate the pistol "harder" for less than quality rounds, or a dirty weapon..
And yes it is "Wolf" ammo for $280/1000. They have PMC for $380/1000... I mean, no spray and pray, but I'm no sharpshooter either. I'm not looking for a 2 1/2'' group at 600 yards. Plus the Sig has a switch to operate the pistol "harder" for less than quality rounds, or a dirty weapon..
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03-11-2009 | 08:28 AM
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Good lord.. If they hold firearms manufacturers responsible for the acts of criminals... what's next? Car Companies held responsible for drunk drivers? Electric companies for house Fires? Building contractors for earthquake damage? WTF...
And yes it is "Wolf" ammo for $280/1000. They have PMC for $380/1000... I mean, no spray and pray, but I'm no sharpshooter either. I'm not looking for a 2 1/2'' group at 600 yards. Plus the Sig has a switch to operate the pistol "harder" for less than quality rounds, or a dirty weapon..
And yes it is "Wolf" ammo for $280/1000. They have PMC for $380/1000... I mean, no spray and pray, but I'm no sharpshooter either. I'm not looking for a 2 1/2'' group at 600 yards. Plus the Sig has a switch to operate the pistol "harder" for less than quality rounds, or a dirty weapon..
Also, how in the world did you come up with the build price that you posted!?
03-11-2009 | 08:47 AM
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Do you think it high or low?
um, yeah upon further review. The $ I posted for a build may be a little high. I was doubling up on buttstocks and lower parts.. I refigured at around $800, but having to wait til DTI got parts to me. Not their lower either, that is buying the local lower and their "kit". But if you add a HOLO sight it is back above $900. So I figure I am paying $400 premium for impatience (or the thought of them being banned before I can build) and the name "Sig"
um, yeah upon further review. The $ I posted for a build may be a little high. I was doubling up on buttstocks and lower parts.. I refigured at around $800, but having to wait til DTI got parts to me. Not their lower either, that is buying the local lower and their "kit". But if you add a HOLO sight it is back above $900. So I figure I am paying $400 premium for impatience (or the thought of them being banned before I can build) and the name "Sig"
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03-11-2009 | 08:52 AM
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Wolf .223
I used the Wolf .223 in my Mini 14 and M77 bolt action. They were dirty and had a few jams and missfires in the 100 rds I shot. I very much prefer the Remmi UMC's. They are a bit hard to get ahold of in the stores right now though.
Spray and pray isn't my thing though. I like to reach out and touch someone.
Spray and pray isn't my thing though. I like to reach out and touch someone.
03-11-2009 | 09:27 AM
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Do you think it high or low?
um, yeah upon further review. The $ I posted for a build may be a little high. I was doubling up on buttstocks and lower parts.. I refigured at around $800, but having to wait til DTI got parts to me. Not their lower either, that is buying the local lower and their "kit". But if you add a HOLO sight it is back above $900. So I figure I am paying $400 premium for impatience (or the thought of them being banned before I can build) and the name "Sig"
um, yeah upon further review. The $ I posted for a build may be a little high. I was doubling up on buttstocks and lower parts.. I refigured at around $800, but having to wait til DTI got parts to me. Not their lower either, that is buying the local lower and their "kit". But if you add a HOLO sight it is back above $900. So I figure I am paying $400 premium for impatience (or the thought of them being banned before I can build) and the name "Sig"
03-11-2009 | 09:29 AM
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03-11-2009 | 10:00 AM
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Yep, direct gas. I had the old style Mini 14. I bought it back in 90 I think, and it was already 5 years old when I got it. But I was stupid and sold it. I might get one of the new styled ones though. I've been buying too many guns lately.
03-11-2009 | 10:45 AM
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The lacquered steel case Wolf runs good in AKs but for anything else I'd spend more for the brass case PMC. I think the lacquer builds up in the chamber and cases stick. You have to run a rod down the barrel to pop the case. Hard on extractors too.
03-11-2009 | 11:14 AM
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You thought the Mini was clunky? I think it's a pretty handy item. I agree it isn't as accurate. All the ARs I've fired shoot 1.5" or better at 100 yds. Minis more like 3"-4". Still, out to 200 or 250 yds., I think that's pretty useful for defense.
03-11-2009 | 12:04 PM
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Just wasn't my cup of tea...I wouldn't throw it away if someone gave me one..LOL
03-11-2009 | 12:14 PM
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If you need to fire bullets into a 3" hole at 200 yds., the AR rules. If there's a riot goin' on and you need to drop morons within 100 yds of your house, the Mini-14 is just as good.
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03-11-2009 | 12:24 PM
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Yeah, Randy. If I could only have one .223, it would be an AR. No question about it. Since I can afford to have "several" .223s, one of them is a Mini-14.
If you need to fire bullets into a 3" hole at 200 yds., the AR rules. If there's a riot goin' on and you need to drop morons within 100 yds of your house, the Mini-14 is just as good.
If you need to fire bullets into a 3" hole at 200 yds., the AR rules. If there's a riot goin' on and you need to drop morons within 100 yds of your house, the Mini-14 is just as good.
03-11-2009 | 12:26 PM
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I got my Bushmaster for $660, so I can't chime in on building versus buying. I will say this (and I am in no way referencing anyone on this forum, so don't go bonkers about the comment) - some guys are building, and some guys are assembling; just because you can bolt it together doesn't mean that it was done correctly. My LGS has AR's in stock all of the time, even as good as the sales have been. AR15.com has lots of parts, but lots of price gougers as well. Backorders on Pmags are getting filled, so I saw no point in paying twice the money for sake of being scared that I can't get them.
I watch Wolf stuff feed through the 'I can eat any ammo you stick in me' AK's all day, but not through an AR. That varnish is some nasty stuff. I watched a guy jam every other round a few months ago. I mentioned that he needs to get a reloader and stop f'n around with that stuff.
I watch Wolf stuff feed through the 'I can eat any ammo you stick in me' AK's all day, but not through an AR. That varnish is some nasty stuff. I watched a guy jam every other round a few months ago. I mentioned that he needs to get a reloader and stop f'n around with that stuff.
03-11-2009 | 12:28 PM
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03-11-2009 | 12:32 PM
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But I'm a lame-*** anyway...haven't shot many of my guns yet. I have been taking care of some home improvement projects, whether it be myself or paying someone to do it. I finally have enough room in the bench area of my garage to get stuff organized for reloading. I also needed to make space for the replacement for my MEC 9000G; got a Ponsness Warren 375C press on FleaBay.
03-11-2009 | 12:33 PM
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I got my Bushmaster for $660, so I can't chime in on building versus buying. I will say this (and I am in no way referencing anyone on this forum, so don't go bonkers about the comment) - some guys are building, and some guys are assembling; just because you can bolt it together doesn't mean that it was done correctly. My LGS has AR's in stock all of the time, even as good as the sales have been. AR15.com has lots of parts, but lots of price gougers as well. Backorders on Pmags are getting filled, so I saw no point in paying twice the money for sake of being scared that I can't get them.
I watch Wolf stuff feed through the 'I can eat any ammo you stick in me' AK's all day, but not through an AR. That varnish is some nasty stuff. I watched a guy jam every other round a few months ago. I mentioned that he needs to get a reloader and stop f'n around with that stuff.
I watch Wolf stuff feed through the 'I can eat any ammo you stick in me' AK's all day, but not through an AR. That varnish is some nasty stuff. I watched a guy jam every other round a few months ago. I mentioned that he needs to get a reloader and stop f'n around with that stuff.
I agree 100% that the builders or assemblers may not get it perfect...but it is kind of hard to screw up an assembly job...I mean, if you ever played with linkin Logs growing up you should not have any major issues...
03-11-2009 | 12:37 PM
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03-11-2009 | 12:48 PM
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Cool bike. Superb suspension and brakes. Jerky, **** *** throttle. Good power but need to rev 12k rpm+ to get it. Midrange better than I expected from reading Moto-mags but much inferior to my VTR. Wouldn't trade my VTR for one, but if somebody gave me one for free, I'd keep it.
