Originally Posted by Vega (streetfighter)

Hey Randman, I'm not trying to be a **** starter, just curious on what the "right-way"of thinking is all about. I consider my self more liberal than conservative. I do own a couple guns and am all for people being able to protect them selfs and familys. I do belive in pro choice, all though its not neccessarly pro abortion. The illegal imagrant thing is tough, cause they do all of the shitty jobs we dont and do it better, faster and cheaper. I do understand the concerns with open borders and the national saftey concerns, but its not the mexicans bombing us. Te drain on our social programs are a reality but its going to happen from every lazy *** person who dosn't want to work, no matter what race. I absolutly hate having to fund food stamp programs for crack dealing ************* with wads of cash in their pockets but with no reportable income they are able to take advantage of our programs that are intended to give working people a hand up not a hand out. Oh, and I'm not an anti war peace loving hippie, but whats going on right now, right this moment is total bullshit. So thats my "left" way of thinking I guess. Help me out and let me know what goes through your head on these issues.

Originally Posted by RK1

Vega;

I'll take a shot at PART of the immigration part.

Forget about ethnicity, national security, assimilation, language, culture, respect for law and institutions etc.

Let's just talk money.

Here's a link to the summary of the report done by senior researcher Robert Rector of the Heritage Foundation.

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Immigration/SR14es.cfm
Executive Summary: The Fiscal Cost of Low-Skill Immigrants to the U.S. Taxpayer


There are folks out there who don't like this report and don't want you to read it, but I haven't heard any challenge it on the facts.

The average low skill immigrant costs America's taxpayers $20,000 per year more in government provided social services than they contribute in taxes.

$20,000 per year each times how many tens of millions of immigrants (legal and illegal)? You can do the math, but you'll need a calculator with a whole lot of digits.

Sure, third world immigrants, especially illegals, do jobs cheaper than Americans.

Here's how it works;

Some son of a bitch bastard with a company or corporation decides he loves money more than he loves his country.

So he hires illegals and makes them work like dogs for $5 or $6 per hour. Jobs he used to pay Americans $12 or $15 for.

Now how does a guy, let alone a guy with wife and kids, survive on $5 an hour?

Of course he doesn't.

That's where your $20,000 comes in.

The income of the worker, and the labor costs of the son of a bitch bastard, are subsidized by you and me with welfare, food stamps, WIC coupons, Section Eight housing vouchers, "earned" income tax "credits", "free" medical care at the county emergency room etc.

It's the internationalist corporatist wet dream. Socialize the labor costs, privatize the profits. Get rich by selling out your country and its people.

If anyone objects, call them "racist" and ask who's gonna pick the tomatoes?


You cannot have massive third world immigration into a first world country with a generous social safety net. Unless you intend to profit by bankrupting and wrecking the first world country.